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Author: Jimis4klar
Date: 2021-11-03 15:34
Eventually, I find that I like the very thin mouthpiece patches. I already use the Nonaka 0.20mm which are pretty good and durable. But I would like to try some 0.1mm, transparent, durable material. I found out the Yamahas on Amazon Japan but they're not able to ship to my location. So, any other ideas would be much appreciated! Thank you!!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2021-11-03 17:44
Get yourself a roll of insulating tape.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Jimis4klar
Date: 2021-11-03 19:44
1/3 millimeter thick is 0.33mm thick?
https://www.clarinetmouthpiece.com/product-page/mouthpiece-patch-cushion
Post Edited (2021-11-03 19:47)
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Author: Bill_D
Date: 2021-11-03 19:59
Jimis4klar wrote:
> 1/3 millimeter thick is 0.33mm thick?
> Post Edited (2021-11-03 19:47)
Yes
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Author: Max S-D
Date: 2021-11-03 20:07
The thinnest I’ve used are the patches sold by saxophone mouthpiece maker Aaron Drake. They’re 0.15mm thick. I like a thin patch, but these were even a bit thin for me.
https://www.drakemouthpieces.com/product/mouthpieces-bite-patches/
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Author: Ed
Date: 2021-11-03 21:47
The Behn product was one of the thinnest I had seen. I did not know anyone was making them thinner
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Author: Jimis4klar
Date: 2021-11-03 23:18
Just asked Behn, told me these are .24mm, so about the same as Nonaka I use..
Max, these seem quite interesting! How's your experience with them? Do you have some time using them? Material is durable? It says: these bite plates will not dampen the natural vibration of the mouthpiece. Is that true in your experience? Haven't ever seen them before.. At first I thought they're made of some kind of rubber but seeing more carefully, It mentions 3M material, Is that something like the transparent material we're used to? or better? Teeth catch well on this material?
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Author: Max S-D
Date: 2021-11-04 01:22
I thought they were clear, but the site makes them look black. I only ever used one when I did a trial of a Drake mouthpiece that was also black, so maybe I just didn’t notice. It was sufficient to keep my teeth from sliding and keep the mouthpiece free of teeth marks, but it was starting to bunch up where my teeth contacted it. On my normal clear patches, this is where a tooth indentation would form, but these don’t have much material for that to happen. I bet I would have worn through it in a couple of months, based on how it responded to a week of playing. Normal patches last me between six months and a year.
I don’t bite much, but I do have moderately sharp teeth. Ymmv. They aren’t cheap as mouthpiece patches go but aren’t that expensive in the grand scheme of things, so it might be best to try them out and see how it goes.
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Author: alanporter
Date: 2021-11-04 05:27
What on earth does it matter what the thickness is ??? There is a lot of stupidity on this website, and this adds to it !
tiaroa@shaw.ca
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Author: Gregory Williams
Date: 2021-11-04 05:53
Alan, the thickness of the patch determines the degree to which vibrations from the clarinet are transmitted through one's teeth into their head and ears. It makes a difference in how the clarinet sounds to the player....to the audience...well that's a different can of worms. I definitely notice a difference in how much I can hear my own playing with different thicknesses of patches. FWIW, Nonaka are the thinnest I've found.
Greg Williams
Minnesota Orchestra
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Author: Jimis4klar
Date: 2021-11-04 12:46
I don't understand your point Alan! You can play the same with either a 0.1mm patch or a 0.9mm on the mouthpiece? You have the same feeling and same abilities with either thickness? Cause they really couldn't be more different!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2021-11-04 21:43
Or you could just use insulating tape as I said right at the start, but as usual that got completely ignored.
What's the point of suggesting something practical on here when you all prefer to go down the expensive route?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Max S-D
Date: 2021-11-05 02:57
Am I thinking of a different product? Isn't insulating tape significantly thicker than 0.1 mm? My recollection was that it was quite thick, with a squishier texture, but I've only ever used it a couple of times.
Electrical tape would work too, and is pretty tough, but it does tend to slide and leave residue after a while.
Another option might be to just take a standard bicycle patch kit and glue a patch on there, but I don't know if that adhesive is something you would want to put in your mouth.
I do think there is a point where the returns are enormously diminishing past a point, though.
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Author: JTJC
Date: 2021-11-05 12:27
I don’t think insulating/electrical tape is made from food-grade plastic. Something like PVC has toxic additives which leach out over time. I wouldn’t use anything that wasn’t made to go in the mouth.
re alanporter, I think the thickness can matter. I’ve found some patches very thick and rubbery. In effect they alter the dimensions of the mouthpiece, so for example might negate the benefits of a Vandoren Profile 88, which has a narrower design. Also, I find the thick patches too compressible, so they could encourage too much bite. More pressure has to be applied to get the reed into playing position as the material absorbs some pressure.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2021-11-06 22:03
Who's to say for definite that most mouthpiece patches ARE made from food safe materials? Is ebonite used in the manufacture of mouthpieces a food safe material? It used to have lead in it in the past and I'm sure there are substances in it that aren't food safe.
There are high quality adhesive tapes with decent adhesives that will do the job better than some mouthpiece patches on the market. And as for 0.1mm, the adhesive layer on most mouthpiece patches is going to be around that, so an overall thickness of 0.1mm is near to non existent and if you want a mouthpiece patch that thin including the adhesive layer which in some cases is double-sided tape, then you're better off not using one at all.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: oian
Date: 2021-11-09 12:31
2 layers of clear packaging tape is .12mm. For my Bass Clarinet I put 3 to 4 layers together then cut it to the shape I want. It sticks well and comes off without leaving adhesive.
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