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 Bach Arioso Trilling
Author: mmatisoff 
Date:   2021-07-16 03:06

I'm practicing Bach's Arioso from Cantata BWV156 arranged by Suenghee Lee. In two instances Bar 24 trilling from F natural to F# and Bar 26 trilling from A natural to Bb.

First instance, I'm lifting my thumb for F natural to F#. The second instance I'm going from A key to all fingers down Bb.

Hope this make an ounce of sense.

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 Re: Bach Arioso Trilling
Author: Philip Caron 
Date:   2021-07-16 15:22

I can't imagine either of those trills as described in any register. A few more ounces needed, please.

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 Re: Bach Arioso Trilling
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2021-07-16 17:36

What kind of clarinet are you using? Since this is a transcription, can you post a scan of the excerpt you're talking about?

Karl

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 Re: Bach Arioso Trilling
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2021-07-16 17:45

Bars 24 and 26? It's only 19 bars long!

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Bach Arioso Trilling
Author: davyd 
Date:   2021-07-16 23:33

Perhaps this arrangement is notated with doubled note values: a quarter in the original becomes a half in the arrangement, and so forth. This sort of makes sense, as the original is slow enough to be counted in 8. (I have an arrangement notated this way that is 32 bars long.)

To trill from bottom space F to F#, use the bottom two of the four keys on the upper right, leaving your thumb down.

To trill from second space A to third line Bb, use the second from the top of the four keys on the upper right. Unless your Bb is seriously sharp, you shouldn't need to keep any other fingers down.

Are these the ounces you're looking for?

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 Re: Bach Arioso Trilling
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2021-07-17 00:55

It has been recycled and used as the 2nd movement of many of J.S.Bach's concertos, usually with a slightly longer ending, but is the Sinfonia from Cantata 156 "Ich steh mit einem Fuß im Grabe".

https://ks4.imslp.net/files/imglnks/usimg/e/e7/IMSLP394211-PMLP149973-BWV_156_-_Sinfonia_(Adagio)_-_Hautbois_con_ornamentazione.pdf

My favourite version of it is this one - I believe the oboist in this recording is Burkhard Glaetzner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnQzgpz36UU&list=LL&index=29

What key are you playing it in and what make/model instrument are you playing?

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: Bach Arioso Trilling
Author: Philip Caron 
Date:   2021-07-17 01:40

Hi davvd. Everything you wrote is reasonable. However, the trills the original poster described were not bottom space F to F# and 2nd space A to Bb. Maybe F to G and A to B, though "all fingers down: can mean several things. Without more information I'm not sure what (if anything) was being asked.

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 Re: Bach Arioso Trilling
Author: Matt74 
Date:   2021-07-17 01:48
Attachment:  E59B110D-55F6-400E-8FC7-E617674AB3BC.jpeg (894k)

Does this help? See attached image (same as link). https://www.rrcs.org/Downloads/Bb%20Clarinet%20Trill%20Fingering%20Chart4.jpg

For F to F# you want your thumb and the bottom two trill keys (T ooo|..,,ooo).

For throat A to Bb to you want regular A (the “A” key) and the second trill key from the top (A ooo|.,..ooo). You can also use the A key and the Register key, just like regular throat Bb.

For low A to Bb just play regular A and Bb (xxx|xxo - xxx|xoo).

I don’t have the sheet music.

- Matthew Simington


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 Re: Bach Arioso Trilling
Author: Matt74 
Date:   2021-07-17 01:53
Attachment:  61297AC4-0F2B-4651-8665-995756EDD5AD.jpeg (744k)

This one is probably better for general use. Attached.

Spend some time figuring out what the “alternate” fingerings are - many of them can be used as trill fingerings. Especially work on the four keys on the top joint that you press with your right index finger, like “side” Bb/Eb. (xxx|,ooo) You can play a whole octave with just your left hand and right index finger.

If you need a new fingering, just try lifting fingers or pressing levers until you find something that works (but make sure it’s reasonably in tune).

- Matthew Simington


Post Edited (2021-07-17 02:04)

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