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Author: kilo
Date: 2021-01-30 22:49
One of the nice things about Legere reeds is that after determining what particular style and strength works best with an individual mouthpiece you can stock up and not have to make another reed purchase for a long time. I still have a half dozen of the old "Quebec Cut" soprano clarinet reeds, unused, and ready when I need them.
When I took up the bass clarinet I was quite happy to learn that tenor sax reeds could be used, as I had quite a few of the #3 "Studio Cut" reeds which worked well on my tenor piece and on my Fobes Debut. I moved up to a Fobes CF a year or so later but I didn't like the way the "Studio Cut" worked on the CF. But #3½ "Classic" Bass Clarinet reeds worked really well and that's what I've been using on the CF. The "Studio Cut" reeds work well on the Debut,on a George F. Bundy piece I have, and on a very open piece I bought from Mojo Mouthpiece Works.
I recently bought a "White Velvet", one of Walter Grabner's new "Hi-Tech" pieces and I didn't feel that any of the Legere reeds I had were working satisfactorily. The "Studio Cuts" were too soft, the "Classics" sounded stuffy with none of the "ring" they had on the CF. I noticed that Walter recommended the new "American Cut" tenor reed and I was also curious about the new "European Cut" for bass, which people had been discussing. So I ordered one of each in the #3¼ strength.
Both of the new reeds show that Legere has been actively developing their product line. These reeds are unique, with a "power spine" that runs down the middle of the vamp; they aren't simply copies of cane reeds. The "American Cut" responds beautifully on the "White Velvet", as per Walter Grabner's recommendation. And the slightly wider "European Cut" bass reed, with a more pronounced curve on the tip, is perfect on the Fobes CF.
This was the first I'd seen of the new individual reed cases that Legere is now using and the first occasion I've had for any criticism. Plastic pollution is something we need to be aware of — I know, then why am I using plastic reeds? One "American Cut" weighs around 2.3 grams; the case weighs over 14 grams. I can use old Legere reeds for shims and glue spreaders but the individual reed case is pretty much a single-purpose item.
The case certainly holds the reed securely and protects it but the use of #5 polypropylene bothered me enough to write to Legere. I asked if a bio-degradable case could be made and whether we could send our old cases to them for proper recycling and was informed "no" to both questions. While I was told that #5 plastic is recyclable it's not as if every community has the infrastructure to do this:
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Plastic coded with a 5, polypropylene, presents some logistical headaches for eco-conscious consumers. Although it can be recycled into things such as garden rakes, car parts, storage bins and shipping pallets, its second-life use is limited. Because few manufacturers have the facilities to recycle PP, many communities don't accept it in their recycling programs.
But there was one other thing I noticed — these reed holders secure the reed so that the tip is suspended and not resting on a flat plane. I thought this was interesting as nearly every other reed case has the tip contacting a glass, metal, or plastic surface. This made me wonder why the case was even necessary as one could achieve a similar result by carefully swabbing the mouthpiece, drying the reed, and remounting it right on the mouthpiece table with its tip suspended and not resting on a flat surface. I don't intend to do this — well, maybe in a pinch — but I find it an intriguing option which I'd heretofore thought of as a definite no-no.
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Author: tdufka
Date: 2021-01-31 00:05
Here is one solution to storing the reed with the tip supported using the new Legere cases:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDx5biM1cP8
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Author: OneWatt
Date: 2021-01-31 01:34
kilo wrote: "But there was one other thing I noticed — these reed holders secure the reed so that the tip is suspended and not resting on a flat plane. I thought this was interesting as nearly every other reed case has the tip contacting a glass, metal, or plastic surface."
I'm still new to this clarinet world, but my understanding is this:
Reed storage tips are intended to keep the cane from morphing in shape due to an uneven response (across the cane fibers) while drying. Hence, the potential for warping.
But being non-porous, it's unclear to me how this risk arises with plastic reeds.
While they can change shape due to temperature changes (e.g., the boiling water trick, or even extended use in a warm mouth), I don't see any need for flat plane storage.
I use the Legere case provided in the way the product was shipped, and it seems to work like a charm.
Is this a view shared by others (with far more experience than I've got to offer)?
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2021-01-31 05:08
The 1:15 long video mentions the warping downward with use. This is one reason (perhaps the only reason) I use flat plane storage. It is my thought that it may (don't know for sure) counter this tendency over time. To that end I use the Vito pocket reed guards. There is not much "force" at all but it does encourage the reed to stay flat (......I hope).
We have NOT mentioned the laser inscribed reed strength. THIS IS HUGE FOR ME. I don't really need have to number reeds to determine which one I am playing any given day since they are all very close in performance to one another BUT I do have multiple batches of reed guards with different strength groups of reeds associated with them. Once the sticker falls off, you have to designate somehow and I have found that even permanent marker only gives you a few uses before it fades away.
THANK YOU LEGERE!!!!!!!!!!
As for the plastic "wastefulness," I think in the long run we will appreciate having a built in storage system.........then toss the boxes we don't need anymore into our local city's recycling bin.
..................Paul Aviles
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Author: kdk
Date: 2021-01-31 07:53
Paul Aviles wrote:
....then
> toss the boxes we don't need anymore into our local city's
> recycling bin.
Some waste management companies don't want small plastic items like these (or the plastic holders that many cane reeds, including Vandoren, are shipped in). Apparently, they can jam up the machinery. So, for example, in my area I have to put plastic bottle caps and single reed holders in the regular trash, to be sent to land-fill.
Karl
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2021-01-31 13:48
And that's kinda sorta why I am a little edgy when it comes to the criticism of Legere for waste that rises to the level of contacting the company about this outrage. If you're smart enough to know how to advocate for the environment, then you're smart enough to know that there are enough bottle caps to burry us all tens of thousands of times over again. And this is mainly for those such as "Kilo."
However, I have yet to be told that small pieces are NOT ok by my local recycling. Maybe I have personally shut down all the recycling plants in my area and have not found out about it yet.
.................Paul Aviles
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Author: kilo
Date: 2021-01-31 16:03
Recycling is not a universal option. Even pre-covid, our local facility only handled type 2 plastic and now there's no recycling at all. And Paul, I didn't contact Legere out of any sense of "outrage", nor was I "criticizing" them. I know how ubiquitous small plastic objects are in the environment and I also know that the amount of plastic waste generated by reed production and packaging is minuscule proportionate to the total amount generated by the production of other consumer goods and industrial materials.
It's more about sending a message to manufacturers, to get them to start thinking differently about their products and what becomes of them when they enter the waste stream. If Legere gets letters from customers who voice their concerns, they might just possibly address those concerns in a future change to their product line. The idea of returning plastic to the manufacturer for recycling or re-use isn't that exotic; it's currently done with ink cartridges and some types of returnable packaging. The idea of using truly bio-degradable materials isn't unheard of either, it's just that manufacturers need to know that it's something their customers care about.
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