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Author: George Stalle
Date: 2021-01-24 23:13
I would like to be in touch over the phone with someone who considers themselves extremely knowledgeable with Benjamin's Tombeau de Ravel. Hopefully someone who worked on the piece with Gervase DePeyer.
After my college professor, Dan Sparks (Lawrence U.) studied with DePeyer in London, DePeyer came to Lawrence in 1973 and I played in a master class with him followed by three months of study with him in the fall of 1974. I didn't work on Tombeau with DePeyer, but only after I returned to Lawrence. Dan, however, had studied Tombeau with DePeyer and gave me a number of note changes throughout the work that DePeyer had given to him.
I have an original Boosey & Hawkes edition, with 8-10 notes throughout changed per Dan/DePeyer's recommendation. I'd be curious to discuss those note changes with anyone who knows the work and its history. (Benjamin wrote the work for DePeyer.)
Please email me if you'd like to have a discussion over the Internet or over the phone.
Thanks,
George
George Stalle
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Author: JTJC
Date: 2021-01-24 23:33
Hi George. I’ve always loved that piece. I had the original De Peyer recording on LP, but a few years ago I bought the CD of that recording, so it may still be available.
There was a recent comment on this BB that you often find the piano part has the correct notes as the original score would be copied to the piano part, with the clarinet part created separately. Not the way it’s done these days of course. Anyway, that might be worth a look. I’ll do so myself as well I have the ‘original’ edition from that period.
Can you say what your corrections are. I’m sure we’d all be interested as they originally come from De Peyer.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2021-01-24 23:48
I’m not overly familiar with it but I do own it. I would be interested in these. Do they follow the solo viola part?
Peter Cigleris
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Author: donald
Date: 2021-01-24 23:49
Might be worth looking at the Viola version (done by Benjamin after the clarinet version).
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2021-01-25 13:21
JTJC what do you mean by ‘original’ edition? As far as I’m an tell the only published edition that has ever been available is the one by Boosey and Hawkes.
I would guess the manuscript is in the British Library as most of his ‘papers’ went there.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: George Stalle
Date: 2021-01-25 16:09
Thanks all for your responses. I've frankly never thought of comparing the viola part as well as the piano part to see if they match up! Will do! When I have a few minutes, I'll compile the list of note changes and share to the post.
Didn't know that the Boosey & Hawkes edition was the only one available!
Back soon!
George Stalle
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Author: JTJC
Date: 2021-01-25 16:29
Peter, I mean the original B&H printed edition. Thought there might be more out there now, but seems as if there aren’t. Sorry if I got your hopes up about it being a manuscript.
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2021-01-25 18:41
Yes, please post the note changes here for all to see. De Peyer's 1960 vinyl LP recording of the Tombeau for Decca (484 2851) in a clarinet recital with pianist Cyril Preedy was reissued in CD form, most recently in 2017, and is widely available from many internet retailers.
Do you know if DePeyer later considered any of his note choices on the recording incorrect?
Post Edited (2021-01-28 22:27)
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Author: Hurstfarm
Date: 2021-01-28 18:24
In the piano score there’s a comment by the composer on the differences between the clarinet and viola parts:
“So as to make the work characteristic of either the Clarinet or the Viola, it will be noticed that there are many differences (in the passage work especially) between the two. Thus it cannot be said that either is a transcription of the other.”
That doesn’t answer the question, but does suggest that de Peyer’s note changes are more likely to have been an interpretation than a correction of errors in the part. It would be interesting to see whether they follow the viola line where they occur.
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Author: DaphnisetChloe
Date: 2021-01-29 00:52
In the February 1991 edition of The Clarinet magazine there is an article by De Peyer on Le Tombeau de Ravel. I subscribed to The Clarinet recently and have been reading lots of past issues. Here are the note corrections:
- At No. 7 in the third piece
marked No. 2 "Presto, volante", the last two
notes in this measure should be A# and B
natural—written notes properly transposed.
- At Figure 24 in the "Finale", F#
(not E# as printed!).
- Two measures before
Figure 22 in the "Lento intimo," called No. 6:
Here the third 16th of the second beat in the
clarinet part should be concert D, not concert
E as printed; so we should have a printed E in
the clarinet part, while two measures earlier it
is a printed F# which changes with the left hand
of the piano part.
Check out the article for the full run down on the piece by De Peyer.
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Author: George Stalle
Date: 2021-02-13 17:20
Thanks DaphnisetChloe. I'll try to pull up that article and compare it with the note changes that my teacher Dan Sparks gave to me (per his London studies with DePeyer.) I don't subscribe to The Clarinet magazine. Is is possible for you to email me a PDF of the article or a link? Thanks so much, George
George Stalle
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