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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2020-08-26 19:01
Just checked out a few minutes of this.
I gotta say that's pretty cool! I hope this is helpful and fun for many.
I'll try it out later today.........not much on the calendar........today.......or really any day.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2020-08-27 00:48
It may be fun for some, but the intonation on the 1 minute that I listened to is terrible. For that reason I certainly wouldn’t recommend it for any serious student.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2020-08-27 01:51
Ok, I've gone through it and find that the pitch hovers a little high (say around 442 perhaps) but my feeling is that matching (if you can move that high) is just as much a skill to develop as playing "in tune."
Anyway, you can do different things such as play along in unison (both parts are in the YouTube video), or play different volumes and see how that affects YOUR pitch (his isn't going anywhere).
I think this is a great resource. I took a 12 foot splitter cable, 1/8" stereo mini, split to (L) and (R) RCA and played through the stereo from the laptop.
I'm working a "new" used clarinet and did the pulling out in the middle thing which seemed to help as I tuned one note at a time, but using this resource it was clear that the intonation is better on this horn pushed all the way in at the middle. It would have taken a rehearsal to find that out as quickly..........for me.
................Paul Aviles
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2020-08-27 09:11
He is consistently higher than the accompaniment. But the intervals are also out of tune within themselves. Some notes are consistently very sharp and he makes no attempt to adjust them. I guess it would be a kind of skill to try to play in tune with that, if that's how you wanted to spend your time...
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2020-08-27 18:12
Liquorice,
Do you have perfect pitch? Someone just said to me that because clarinet is a transposing instrument, those with perfect pitch cannot play clarinet for the frustration of always playing the wrong note.
I disagree with that assumption, but don't know for sure. I was never burdened with perfect pitch.
:-)
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2020-08-28 01:44
-Do you have perfect pitch?
No.
-Someone just said to me that because clarinet is a transposing instrument, those with perfect pitch cannot play clarinet for the frustration of always playing the wrong note.
I know a composer who grew up in a tiny village in Norway where the only musical instrument he heard was the local church organ. This instrument was tuned way below A=440. The composer has perfect pitch and thus learnt all of the pitches as being lower than modern pitch. Everything he now hears sounds sharp to him!
So yes, I'm also glad that I wasn't burdened with pitch memory.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2020-08-28 03:32
Thanks for the answer.
I have to admit that even if I picked up on a certain pitch being a little high or a little low, I'd just go with that as a baseline and NEVER pick up on an out of tune interval.
I was going over the "Super Slow" again today and can't help seeing more benefits:
o Good triplet rhythm practice
o Harmonic minor scales and exercises (don't even see that in print much)
o F# maj (d#min.) used in place of Gb (also not super common)
o The patterns of the exercises are not just pure scale motion and are good for reading
o The rock steady rhythm of the whole thing is a noteworthy exercise in itself
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: nellsonic
Date: 2020-08-29 08:05
Paul Aviles wrote:
> Ah.........maybe this helps:
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> If you just YouTube the search for this there is a 440 example
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It doesn't help. Liquorice got it right. Equal degrees of "creative pitch placement" at 440 and 442. It seems to be the same recording just pitch-shifted 2 cents, as one would expect.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2020-08-29 22:02
I don't think you guys have gone through the full set. Only the initial "Fifths" and the "Triads" have an electronic piano accompaniment. The rest (scales, chromatic exercise, whole tone exercise, maj. and min. exercises) are just a bass/snare drum and Kohan.
And you do know any irregularities (such as they are in........oh let's say........the real world) can be Melodyned out.
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2020-08-30 04:59
I owe a huge apology to Liquorice and Nellsonic. Once processed through Melodyne the intonation issues stuck out like a sore thumb!
My problem is that when I play I just assume that I am always wrong if there is any discrepancy.
There were not always pitch differentials present but those that existed were about 2 to 4 cents worth of difference.
...............Paul Aviles
Post Edited (2020-08-30 05:13)
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