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Author: ruben
Date: 2020-07-30 20:51
We're still vaguely in search of a great vintage clarinet to copy and possibly improve. Tony Coe told me about Dolnet clarinets and said that his friend Alan Hacker thought very highly of them. Does anybody out there know about these French clarinets?
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Post Edited (2020-07-30 23:06)
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2020-07-31 09:58
I have a Dolnet Bb in my Gunna box. I restored one a while ago. It played well enough, but it wasn't anything to get excited about.
Tony F.
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Author: ebonite
Date: 2020-07-31 12:53
Jeroen wrote:
> Some keys have a black
> dot inlay, nice workmanship. Btw, the Jacques Albert Fils
> clarinets have the same dots.
I think these dots might be the screw for the leaf springs
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Author: Jeroen
Date: 2020-07-31 13:30
Ah yes, the dots are the ending of the screws indeed that are on the bottom of the key
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Author: ruben
Date: 2020-07-31 14:54
Jeroen: your description of the French-German sound is exactly that of Tony Coe and the late Alan Hacker! If ever you come to Paris-Mantes-la-Jolie (pas très jolie!) maybe you could show them to us. Hope to see you sometime.
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Author: Jeroen
Date: 2020-07-31 15:22
Hi Ruben, your http://jl-clarinette.fr/ site in your signature seems offline.
I would like to come to France but I don't think this will happen in the near feature. It is no problem to send the pair to you, so you have plenty of time to examine the clarinets. I am curious about the bore dimensions also. May be you can fix the broken key in the same time? (at my costs of course). Please contact me by PM.
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Author: MichaelW
Date: 2020-08-02 17:56
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Dolnet Lefèvre Pigis (DLP) at Mantes-la-Ville (also home of Buffet Crampon and Selmer Paris), Mainly known for their Saxophones. Established 1880 according to New Langwill Index, closed in the 1970ties (Wikipedia). See also older threads:
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=7499&t=7286
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=400932&t=386839
My own Dolnet Bb, acquired six years ago for just 51 Euros, see pictures above:
Serial N° 7745. Generally in good shape with two minor cracks, Nickel silver.
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Author: juliomachado
Date: 2020-10-22 05:55
Hi. I have an old Dolnet DLP. I've trying to find a serial number list for ages. Its serial number is '6 188' It has a double F/C hole in the lower section. I think it was made about 1900.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2020-10-23 05:26
Acquired a Dolnet clarinet a couple of years ago, restored it....meh....average clarinet. Granted, just one sample point. Their saxophones are pretty well regarded.
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Author: ruben
Date: 2020-10-23 17:51
David: Do you recommend any "off-the beaten-track" clarinets? Are there any you have found extraordinary?
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2020-10-23 19:18
Thanks for the question, Ruben.....Mostly I mess around with bass clarinets, but most of my personal soprano Bb and A clarinets (both Boehm and Oehler-system) are GDR-era F. Arthur (and one G. Rudolf) Uebel instruments. I realize it's been written that their GDR-era instruments were inferior to pre-WWII versions, but I've gotten good results from them after thorough overhauls, and they are inexpensive to acquire. Not sure if they're "exceptional", but they're plenty good enough for me at my modest level of playing ability.
I also like many of the Boosey & Hawkes models from the 1950s through 80s, they're abundant and very cheap to buy, also are well-made and comfortable to play. I'd say they are decent enough in terms of sound and intonation, but wouldn't call them "exceptional". They pretty much all need some tonehole venting improvement (mild undercutting at least) to even reach the middle ranks.
Finally, I've restored two 1930s-vintage G.M. Bundy-Paris Bb clarinets, with a third currently on the workbench, and these are pretty nice horns, since they are basically rebadged Selmer-Paris instruments from that era. I'm not a huge Buffet R-13 fan, but I tell people that these G.M. Bundy clarinets seem similar to the R-13 in sound and feel. A bit less common on That Auction Site, but they do show up occasionally. They also benefit from tonehole undercutting, because like the Booseys they came from the factory with straight tonehole walls.
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Author: ruben
Date: 2020-10-24 00:23
David: Thanks for the information! I'll try out a pair of Arthur Uebels a friend has. I didn't understand GDR. What does that stand for? Thank you. PS: Are the Arthur Uebel Boehm-reformed clarinets large, medium, or narrow-bored instruments?
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2020-10-24 05:40
GDR=German Democratic Republic=East (Communist) Germany.
My Boehm Uebels are standard Boehm, not Reformed. I'll have to measure the bores, then will give you the actual numbers.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2020-10-26 04:49
Ruben, here are the bore dimensions of my various older Uebel clarinets (I'm a bit embarrassed about how many I've got - could I be a ClariHoarder?):
F. Arthur Uebel:
- Bb, Boehm Model 811 (1975): 14.7mm (.580")
- Bb, Boehm Model 811 (1972): 14.6mm (.575")
- A, Boehm Model 812 (1971?): 14.6mm (.575")
- Bb, Boehm Model 810 (undated): 14.6mm (.575")
- Bb, Oehler Model 621 (1983): 14.5mm (.572")
- Bb, Oehler Model 624 (1965): 14.5mm (.572")
G. Rudolf Uebel:
- Bb, Boehm Model 2(?) (1975): 14.6mm (.575")
Not very interesting, I'm afraid......
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Author: ruben
Date: 2020-10-26 10:19
Thank you David! Rather small-bored for German clarinets.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2020-10-27 22:20
"Rather small-bored for German clarinets." But comparable to standard-bore French (Boehm) clarinets, correct? Maybe that's why they sound the same (to me) when using a French-type mouthpiece/reed combination?
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