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Author: allencole
Date: 2012-08-02 21:22
I just started an adult student who came in three old clarinets.
The most intriguing model was what appears to be a hard rubber clarinet with metal sleeves in the upper bore of the upper joint, and lower bore (yes, where it flares) in the lower joint. Had been repadded with leather pads, which I also thought was interesting.
Must be some kind of stencil model. The markings are badly rubbed, but it looked like "Jean" something. I did some googling and visited a website on off-brand clarinets, but didn't find anything to quite meet this one's description.
Anybody ever hear of metal sleeves in a clarinet bore as either factory equipment or repair. This is the first time I've encountered it in 20 years of teaching.
Allen Cole
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2012-08-02 22:27
Metal sleeved in the upper joints of hard rubber clarinets was quite common. It provided mechanical stability, as hard rubber can warp in high temperatures. I've seen one such labelled Jean Martell. It may have been a stencil,the keywork looked like SML. I have a Preufer monobody from the 20's or 30's with a metal sleeve.
Tony F.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2012-08-03 12:11
Tony F above pretty much has it. I believe that sometimes the sleeve was used in "Bakelite" type horns also. I have a Lafayette with it and the sleeve appears to be brass. I've never seen a description of the manufacturing process but assume the non-metallic outer was molded over the brass insert and then machined.
Bob Draznik
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Author: ramsa
Date: 2012-08-03 12:44
The old "Airline" clarinet that I found at a flea market a couple months ago is hard rubber with a steel liner...
It's pretty strange, but seems OK. (The clarinet is less than stellar...)
I keep it as a reminder not to purchase cheap old clarinets...
:)
This is a genuine signature.
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Author: SchlockRod
Date: 2012-08-27 15:53
I have three Pruefer clarinets from 50s-60s. All are hard rubber with sleeves. The 2-piece horns have lined top jt only, the monobody is lined through entire body. Sleeves on these are "coin silver". Looked it up - it means 0.900 fine, certainly not Sterling, more like maybe what keys are plated with.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2012-08-27 22:33
I've seen ebonite bodied Malerne stencils (Buisson, etc.) with nickel silver sleeved top joints only - never seen a metal sleeved lower joint so far.
One of them had a broken middle tenon which was an easy fix - remove the broken tenon by sliding it off the metal liner, straighten out the metal liner and then refit and glue the broken tenon back on.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2012-08-27 23:10)
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Author: Ken Gregory
Date: 2020-06-13 21:20
Hard Rubber clarinet w/metal sleeves in bore
Hi, I have two Robert Siour clarinets, one a hard rubber , the other a plastic clarinet. Both Boehm, Bb and probably from the 40s or 50s. Both have a metal lining/sleeve in the upper section. The lower section of the hard rubber clarinet shines like its metal lined, like the upper section.
Ken
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Author: hans
Date: 2020-06-13 21:30
My first clarinet, ~60 years ago, was ebonite with a brass sleeve in the upper joint. It was a student model but it served me well.
Hans
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Author: jcm499
Date: 2020-06-14 08:33
I have a rubber clarinet with a a metal lining in the upper joint only. Preufer Silver Throat Deluxe, Providence Rhode Island. Chrome plated keys and rather crude construction. It's not in playing condition, a project I never got around to.
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Author: Reformed
Date: 2022-03-22 20:48
To keep an old thread alive!
I just acquired a ~1939 Boosey & Hawkes 1011, the ebonite version of the 1010.
I was surprised to see the top joint is completely lined. Also the middle socket is lined. Seems to partially fit the description of an earlier 1011 "Special Military Model" from Jennifer Brand's B&H thesis.
I misspent 3 youthful years in the Scots Guards band. They had a 1011 which played very nicely, but I don't remember that being lined. No-one wanted to play it because it wasn't wood.
This one plays nicely enough but needs re-padding and regulation. Quite a few keys are set too low, with shouldered skin pads that are thicker than the original tan leather pads.
Any other 1011s out there?
Post Edited (2022-03-22 21:50)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2022-03-22 22:05
I was given an early '50s B&H Edgware which has rod screws throughout (those annoying ones that are only their full diameter at the ends), only it hasn't got a metal lined bore, same with a similarly aged ebonite Imperial I did some work on over a decade ago. Maybe the metal lined bores and sockets were only reserved for their top level clarinets.
I've never seen an ebonite 1010 in person - only the ebonite barrels belonging to them. Maybe people don't like ebonite clarinets as they turn green with age, exposure to UV light and hot water.
As for lined top joint bores on wooden clarinets, more makers should offer them.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: super20dan
Date: 2022-03-24 06:02
i have 2 prueffer silver throats. huge big sound -perfect for dixieland and big band and german band. very good for this and any outdoor playing
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