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Author: Roys_toys
Date: 2019-08-22 13:37
Among a load of mps I have 3 that I really like. These are (a) a dedicated Peter Eaton ...for my main clarinet, PE International ( his narrow bore clt ) (b) Vandoren M30 lyre P88 S13 ...for R13 (c) Selmer C85 which i no longer use but was for ...a ( bit wider bore) Buffet RC. I'm wondering about suitability - do these small bore differences in clarinet really matter to the mps, can I use M30 and C85 as main or back up mps in all / any of my instruments. These are ...
1/ Peter Eaton International with a dedicated PE mp. Nice set up , would the M30 be a suitable back up ?
2/ two Imperial 926 ( widish bore ) with dedicated 926 mp. Could I use C85 in preference ? ( Both 926 and RC a bit wider bore ) OK ?
3/ R13. Happy with the M30 lyre, wondering if others would work ?
Obviously i know I can suck it and see, just wondering if anyone knows that the bore differences are either too small to matter or do indeed rule it out.
Thanks in advance.
Roy
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2019-08-22 15:56
I know this isn't the kind of response you're looking for, but your question intrigues me, so *I'm* interested:
What do you mean by whether "the differences are **too small to matter** [my emphasis]...?" The obvious but non-technical answer is that if they seem to play well together, any differences that may exist don't matter, and if any of the mouthpiece/instrument combinations doesn't sound good or tune acceptably, then the differences do matter and that combination would be "ruled out."
Realizing that you're looking for a more technical evaluation of the bore differences, I'm wondering how those combinations feel to you when you try them, independent of any technical opinions you may get here. I've always read that the B&H 1010 bores are larger enough than French Buffets and Selmers that they need different mouthpieces for tuning purposes. I'm not sure as an American non B&H player, how the 926 compares (or the Eaton).
Karl
Post Edited (2019-08-23 00:15)
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Author: Late_returner
Date: 2019-08-22 16:59
Hi Karl
As will become aparent, Im not technical at all.
I've always been told that the 1010 ( which I no longer have) needs its own large bore mp, and that the Imperial 926 was an intermediate size, wider than pure "french", with no firm opinions being expressed in my reading about mp size. I used Peter Eaton and B&H specially bored out mps for my 1010, and using french style mps did sound wrong.
I was also told the Buffet RC is " intermediate" bore, hence my wondering if its an update of the 926 ( from when B&H owned Buffet) with the 926 mp and Selmer ( recommended for RC) being interchangeable -- assuming that is that there is a need to recognise RC/ 926 bore size needs their own mps.i cant say Ive noticed a problem when ( very occasionally) using 926 mp on R13, nor using M30 on 926.
Nor using my Peter Eaton on R13.
So i tend to think even if there are bore differences between my clarinets ( remember, no 1010 any longer) they dont matter. I wondered if this is known, or if I have to try harder to find problems !
Roy
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Author: Ken Lagace
Date: 2019-08-22 18:46
Mouthpiece bores affect tuning. Get out a nice tuner and notate (chart) all the tuning ares. Chromatic scale, Left hand VS right hand, 12ths, Chalumeau VS clarion VS altissimo etc.
If the mouthpiece tunes well with the clarinet, you can judge it on other factors.
The first thing Harold Wright always looked for in a mouthpiece was tuning.
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2019-08-22 23:52
The B&H 926 bore of 15.05 mm that is parallel throughout the barrel, upper joint and down the lower joint until the flare starts.
Strictly speaking it needs a slightly different bore mouthpiece than a French bore instrument, however I hear of players getting OK results with a standard french style mouthpiece on the 926 and equally I knew a professional player in a BBC orchestra who used his 926 mouthpiece when he switched to R13s.
Incidentally the Eaton International has a bore of 14.8 mm, so between the 926 size and the RC/R13 sizes.
There is absolutely no connection between the design of the Buffet RC (designed in France by Caree) and the B&H 926, designed in the early 1940s in the UK.
As the previous posters have said, the only true test is to play the various combination and see what works for you.
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Author: shmuelyosef
Date: 2019-08-29 01:26
To the OP:
- Just try the mouthpieces out...find a reed that works
- Play long tones and use a tuner to see if the intonation is different on the different mouthpieces.
- Make your decision based on tone, articulation response, and ability to achieve reasonable intonation with modest embouchure adjustment
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