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Author: Nomenclature
Date: 2019-02-18 15:10
My Buffet RC which has only been played around a dozen times since I bought it a few years ago seems to have developed brown pads when I look at it closely. I have always been careful in remembering to dry it with a pull-through. What causes this? Is this normal in such a new instrument?
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2019-02-18 15:19
It can be caused by dye leaching from the wood.
Tony F.
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2019-02-18 17:41
Pretty normal, even my new Festival with teflon pads started to develop staining after a few weeks despite me drying the pads after every use.
A good option might be to have the pads replaced with cork at some point as not only are they better at hiding staining from the wood, but they also last far longer than traditional pads.
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: Ken Lagace
Date: 2019-02-18 18:46
That says a lot about new Buffets - a new clarinet needs a new set of pads.
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2019-02-18 19:18
It's not Buffet, it's a problem with Grenadilla wood in general. I've seen the same problem on a Selmer Presence, Yamaha 650, Jupiter 1100s, ect...
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2019-02-18 20:42
Grenadilla wood will stain pads - that's pretty normal. Even Gore-Tex pads will get stained by the natural colour of the wood once they get wet.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2019-02-18 21:05
Yes.......but,
Buffet does use an awful lot of staining on the outside of their wood horns. I really began to appreciate this when I experimented with gluing a piece of cork below the thumb rest as a pad for my thumb. My Yamaha accepted the glued cork on first try, the Buffet required three tries with each taking less stain off but exposing lighter wood. Why does Buffet feel a need to put that much on? [rhetorical question but if someone KNOWS I'd would appreciate comment]
...............Paul Aviles
Post Edited (2019-02-18 21:15)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2019-02-19 00:38
Buffet stain the wood on the E13 to R13/RC range to make the joints all look uniform as grenadilla billets vary a lot in colour and grain pattern, but they use an alcohol based dye which comes off through handling or using alcohol or solvent. It's a deep purple colour dye/stain like the ink used in permanent marker pens. It doesn't come off with water and you'd recognise it if it did as it would be a deep purple colour as opposed to brown.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2019-02-19 01:03
YES......That's the stuff! Of course the harsh glues I was using certainly had enough solvent in them. Still I can imagine a modicum of dye leaching over time to other things.
.............Paul Aviles
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2019-02-19 09:27
Just taking a wild-ass guess here, but if the dye Buffet use is a potassium permanganate based stain it will appear to be purple in the bottle and as it goes on, but will quickly turn to a shade of brown/black as it oxidizes. The exact shade of brown/black depends on the concentration of the solution and the original colour of the wood.
Tony F.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2019-02-19 18:17
Potassium permanganate? Isn't that toxic?
I don't think they use that - more like a synthetic dye dissolved in alcohol and it still has a purple tinge to it on the instrument, but more apparent if you take an alcohol or solvent soaked cloth to wipe it with.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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