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D# to B pinky slide?

Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2017-05-22 16:51

My question--I hope my last on the subject matter, pertains to the opening of the Cadenza on Messager's Solo De Concurs, and what do you do with your pinkies here.

For the majority of us, who have (soprano) clarinets that are unequipped with left pink [D#5]

keys:

the first passage of the cadenza

http://www.carolinehartig.com/clientuploads/student-resources/Messager%20Clarinet%20Cadenza.pdf

requires us to, at least as I've seen it up until now, make some "pinky swap" (i.e. change pinkies mid note) either (but not both) from left to right pinky on the [B4]

, or from the right to left pinky on the 3rd [C5]

to complete this phrase.

But someone I spoke with yesterday suggested a pinky slide instead.

I'm familiar with pinky slides, at least as it involves moving from [D#5]

(or if you prefer the same swaps with the register key not acctuated, in the [G#3]

range)

but I've never heard of a [D#5]

swap (down and across keys)--or a [C5]

swap, or again, if you prefer, down the register, a [G#3]

or an

one.

Thoughts? Thanks.

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Re: D# to B pinky slide?

Author: Dibbs
Date: 2017-05-22 17:35

they probably meant to slide from the RH C to the Eb. Saxophone and Albert system players have to do that all the time. It takes a bit of practice if you're not used to doing it though.

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Re: D# to B pinky slide?

Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2017-05-22 18:54

Dibbs wrote:

> they probably meant to slide from the RH C to the Eb.
> Saxophone and Albert system players have to do that all the
> time. It takes a bit of practice if you're not used to doing
> it though.

And it's harder without rollers. FWIW, I take advantage of the articulation to jump (not slide) from the Eb to the B that starts the next group RH Eb directly to RH B. But I'm sure there are players who use all of the other possibilities.

Karl

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Re: D# to B pinky slide?

Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2017-05-22 19:28

A trick I heard about aeons ago was to quickly wipe the tip of the RH pinky in the crease of the nose before any major slide.
The grease picked up massively reduces the friction on the finger tip and makes the slide much easier.

Now that age is causing some mild arthritis in both pinkys I find an increasing need to slide. But mostly try to plan ahead and keep the slides on the level between the F/C and Ab/Eb touchpieces.

A final useful ruse that works very well on my Leblanc LLs is to use the fork G#
xxo / xoo when necessary. Most recently in The Seafarers (MacDermott) piece. This can reduce need for some slides.

This fork fingering does not work as well on some clarinets though.

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Re: D# to B pinky slide?

Author: Philip Caron
Date: 2017-05-22 20:01

Generally in those cases I prefer to switch, but have gotten somewhat accustomed to that D#-B slide from a place in Jettel's Accomplished that's too fast for a switch.

I don't play the Messager, but it looks like that slide is an option there. It's not very reliable for a perfectly smooth legato, but as Karl noted there's articulation in notated there. So, switch, slide or jump, whatever works.

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Re: D# to B pinky slide?

Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2017-05-22 21:02

Thanks...

Oh BTW, and FWIW, should anyone wish to refute or concur, I think the second to last note on the 5th line of the above attached blown up version of the cadenza wrongly appears with a just above the staff "B" [B5]

rather than a just above the staff C [C6]

....

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Re: D# to B pinky slide?

Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2017-05-22 21:58

WhitePlainsDave wrote:

> Thanks...
>
> Oh BTW, and FWIW, should anyone wish to refute or concur, I
> think the second to last note on the 5th line of the above
> attached blown up version of the cadenza wrongly appears with a
> just above the staff "B" [B5]

rather than a just above the
> staff C [C6]

....

Why? He has a perfectly logical pattern with the repeated G#-B-G# and the "rocketing" F#-E-D#-D" to the fermata. I can do a more detailed analysis, but the B fits the pattern for the entire passage, at least starting from the previous fermata. C, if you change it, doesn't fit. Is there a reason other than thinking it sounds better why you'd make the change?

Karl

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Re: D# to B pinky slide?

Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2017-05-22 22:49

kdk wrote:

> Is there a reason other than thinking it
> sounds better why you'd make the change?
>
> Karl

...only what's written on another version I have

http://imslp.org/wiki/Solo_de_concours_(Messager,_Andr%C3%A9)

and what I think I've heard performers do on recordings like those on YouTube.

I too will have to further check.

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Re: D# to B pinky slide?

Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2017-05-22 22:57

I think you are correct Karl--at least from a sample of audios I just heard on YouTube (your musical arpeggios and harmonies, etc. rationales not withstanding. )

[B5]

it is.

Thanks.

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Re: D# to B pinky slide?

Author: ClarinetRobt
Date: 2017-05-22 23:01

[B5]

should be the right note to complete the pattern.

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