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Author: ruben
Date: 2017-03-13 14:01
I see that this company makes 3D barrels and bells. Has anybody tried them? I would imagine that the material used-successive layers of it-is some form of plastic. This, in theory, doesn't sound very encouraging. Your impressions please.
rubengreenbergparisfrance@gmail.com
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Author: faltpihl ★2017
Date: 2017-03-13 14:39
I have tried multiple of his barrels, and was using the one I purchased for quite some time.
I found them to be good and very lightweight, and cheap to get custom lengths if you need that for some reason. (I wanted a 62mm barrel)
I'd surely recommend giving them a try if you're in the market for barrels.
Regards
Peter
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Author: nbclarinet
Date: 2017-03-13 18:44
**Disclaimer, I'm a good friend of Ryan Pereira, but am not financially associated with his business in any way.
I have tried and own several of Ryan's barrels, and find them to be very playable. As for the material, I haven't found the plastic to be inferior to wood barrels in terms of sound quality. However, if you don't like the idea of plastic, Ryan now has wood options for most of his designs.
He has a couple of new models that just came out which I played the prototypes for, and really liked them. I would definitely give them a try
Cheers
NB
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Author: wkleung
Date: 2017-03-13 19:02
I just checked the website and found barrel lengths of 64mm and up. How may I get a 62mm barrel?
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Author: nbclarinet
Date: 2017-03-13 19:24
If you contact ryan, he can easily make you a custom length. I believe you can email him or send him a message via the website
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Author: Pereira3D
Date: 2017-03-13 21:47
Disclaimer: I founded the company and manufacture the products.
During my time traveling and discussing the products I made, I ran into a lot of skepticism from players regarding the technology and how the materials react when used on a musical instrument. The most effective way for players to experience its unique properties is to have them try for themselves rather me talk about it. I've tested over 30 materials to come to the materials I use now. Printing wood is now possible and it is what I use in all playing situations. I'm also beginning to integrate printed metal into the designs now.
Printing is an additive manufacturing process instead of CNC machining, which is subtractive, meaning printed parts build layer by layer to form the shape. Printing accuracy has come a long way and now rivals CNC, at this stage. The material is fused together via heat from the hotend/nozzle, creating a solid part. However, I have tested different infill levels and patterns, particularly with prototype bell designs, to fine tune resistance and sound characteristics. It's like telling a tree how to grow.
Furthermore, yes the materials are lightweight and prices can be significantly lower due to no wasted material (again, additive process) and because the spools of material simply cost less. If you want to find out more, feel free to send me an email.
Ryan Pereira
Pereira 3D Clarinet Services
www.Pereira3D.com
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2017-03-13 23:43
Ryan Pereira,
I must say that while 3D printing is a great technology, I am puzzled by the fact that you would use it for production. While 3D printing has come a long way, parts are still not as well finished or as strong as injection molded parts.
Let's say for example, you purchased cheap "blank" barrels for some overseas manufacturer. You could then hand finish them to any dimensions you choose. The end result would be a barrel that is stronger and more well finished than a 3D printed one. I quess my main question is why even 3D print barrels in the first place? Please understand that I am not criticizing your product and I look forward to trying one when the opportunity arises to make an accurate judgement.
-Jdbassplayer
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Author: Pereira3D
Date: 2017-03-14 00:01
Yes, I could have went in the injection mold direction, but I embarked on an experiment that has not been explored. Where's the upside in working on something that has been done and redone countless times?
3D filaments offer completely different materials that I found intriguing and were worth testing. The materials I use for manufacturing do not crack or warp over time, including my wood material. Printing also allows me to alter the physical makeup INSIDE of the parts by rearranging a series of settings. So while I maximize the infill that the material is deposited, I make adjustments to how it's done, and these fine tunings affect how the barrel, etc. responds. Customization is the key here.
Coming from a family of engineers, I know the potential possibilities of this technology. Keep in mind this is the same technology that is now building homes and human organs. Printing is still a young science and I plan to evolve the product line as it evolves.
Ryan Pereira
Pereira 3D Clarinet Services
www.Pereira3D.com
Post Edited (2017-03-14 04:45)
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Author: cxgreen48
Date: 2017-03-14 03:15
I have tried two different models (the Traditional and Bold) of his 3D printed barrels and both were improvements over my stock barrel (I use a Yamaha CSG). I also own a Fobes barrel and prefer my Pereira barrel (mostly because the Fobes barrel caused some intonation issues). Additionally, they are very light-weight and much less expensive than other barrels on the market.
Ryan was very good about responding to my emails and concerns, so if anyone was interested in these barrels, I would not hesitate to give them a try.
Also as a side note, I am not convinced that synthetic materials are clearly inferior to wood.
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2017-03-14 06:53
I met Ryan at the ClarinetFest this past August. We had a booth next to each other.
One good thing about him is he is young and talented. He has a very good sound. So he knows when something isn't right. He will be around for several years.
He actually made a barrel for Michele, former principal of the Los Angeles Philharmonic, who plays on German horns. He made her a 57mm barrel for her.
Give this guy a chance. He's pretty cool! I will have him make up something for my Yamaha A clarinet.
His material is light weight. This will help the horn vibrate better. He is also very trusting. Since the Fest we've worked together on a few things and I look forward to doing business with him.
I give him a 5 star rating.
Bob
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2017-03-14 08:57
>> Printing wood is now possible....... The material is fused together via heat from the hotend/nozzle, creating a solid part <<
Can you explain a bit about this, since wood doesn't melt and "weld" to itself like plastic or metal?
Thanks
Post Edited (2017-03-14 10:59)
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Author: Pereira3D
Date: 2017-03-14 10:38
3D Wood is a hybrid material. The wood particles have a polymer binding agent that allows the material to melt as it passes through the hotend. This is also why the material is not susceptible to cracking. Therefore, you get the warmer and fuller sound quality without cracks or a break-in period. The bronze metal I use follows the same principle, although metal filaments understandably have approximately twice the density of the other filaments, making metal rings a welcome addition to some of my newer models.
You can find more info about the materials and their tonal characteristics on our website.
Ryan Pereira
Pereira 3D Clarinet Services
www.Pereira3D.com
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Author: gwie
Date: 2017-03-17 11:24
Ryan, how does the weight of the 3D wood versions compare to the synthetic polymer? Is it a significant difference between the two types?
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Author: Pereira3D
Date: 2017-03-17 23:10
The two materials are comparable in terms of weight. The synthetic polymer comes out ever-so-slightly lighter than 3D wood. If you switch between stock equipment, the weight difference with either synthetic polymer or 3D wood is certainly noticable. However, the weight difference between my products and others is particularly apparent in the bell.
Ryan Pereira
Pereira 3D Clarinet Services
www.Pereira3D.com
Post Edited (2017-03-17 23:11)
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Author: r small
Date: 2022-09-13 18:54
Ryan's barrels are great. They come in increments of a half millimeter so it's possible to get the perfect length for any clarinet. His cutaway eefer barrels allow the use of Bb reeds. Great idea. Also his prices are hard to beat considering the quality. I highly recommend these barrels.
Post Edited (2022-09-13 18:58)
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Author: Hunter_100
Date: 2022-09-13 23:45
Me too, they are great products. I will be getting the eb extension from him to go with my 3d Blackwood eb barrel whenever I can find to spare change.
I saw on his site that he is not using the 3D brass rings on the 3D wood barrels anymore, but has switched to some kind of 3D carbon fiber material. I wonder how that changes the sound (if any).
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Author: anonrob
Date: 2022-09-15 15:59
Barrels and service off the charts great. I actually wish I needed to buy more stuff just because I think he is great.
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Author: klarinetkid
Date: 2022-09-18 22:06
I also got to meet Ryan at the ClarinetFest this summer. I found his 3D printed clarinet to be very playable and comfortable with good tuning and a lovely sound, and bought a Philadelphia barrel which I like very much.
With the ever soaring prices of professional clarinets, affordable, high quality, hand finished instruments and accessories are welcome in my book. Just one person’s opinion.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2022-09-19 04:49
I have been playing the Pereira ligature on bass clarinet for almost a year now. My stand mate tried it on his bass clarinet and immediately ordered several for all of his woodwinds.
The luck using a Bb clarinet ligature was not quite as spectacular but very good. I also tried it on alto sax as it is big enough (per Ryan's instructions). There is a lot of promise here, but I need to take more time.
Hank
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