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Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2017-02-13 21:17

https://www.selmer.fr/media/info/SELMER_Frequence_CLAR_CITES_A4_Eng.pdf

Anyone already obtained a “Musician’s Certificate”? Or do we need to?



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 Re: CITIS
Author: Tony Pay 2017
Date:   2017-02-13 22:53

https://www.selmer.fr/media/info/SELMER_Frequence_CLAR_CITES_A4_Eng.pdf



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 Re: CITIS
Author: Ursa 
Date:   2017-02-13 23:06

We can only hope that this situation doesn't devolve to the point where CITIES is used to make illegal the resale of wooden clarinets and piccolos, as well as stringed instruments with rosewood fingerboards...

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 Re: CITIS
Author: dorjepismo 2017
Date:   2017-02-13 23:26

From the U.S. site, it looks like they're adding rosewood to ivory, tortoise shell, and so on, but no mention of grenadilla, cocobolo, or boxwood. Does anyone know differently?

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 Re: CITIS
Author: Matt74 
Date:   2017-02-14 00:17

All species of dalbergia are affected including grenadilla and cocobolo. Boxwood is not a species of dalbergia.

Basically, you cannot travel internationally with your clarinet without risking confiscation. There is a theoretical exemption, but it's not concrete, and is intentionally worded so as not to guarantee you can travel with your instrument. Actual implementation is entirely dependent upon the country where you are arriving. You could even be prosecuted. Unfortunately, this is not an exaggeration.

I posted a bunch of stuff here...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1049137325184992/search/?query=cites#

It's the one with the picture of the logs. I added more information and links in the comments for the post. Click on "comment" to see them.

The "passport" is extremely difficult to get, impossible for most people, and you must enter and exit the country only at a handfull of designated places. Documentation like receipts are not sufficient for travel or for obtaining the passport.

- Matthew Simington


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 Re: CITIS
Author: Bob Bernardo 
Date:   2017-02-14 00:17

We could be close to be at the stage where plastics and hard rubber might sound as good or come close to sounding as good as wood, or better. As a tree hugger maybe it is a good time save these trees and saving older wood instruments.

I was lucky yesterday to work on some old Selmer's. They sounded great, better than the recent Buffet R13's. This one recent Buffet was all dried out, the bore, but the much older Selmer's looked fine. So if Buffet doesn't want to cure the wood properly, maybe they shouldn't be permitted to be given the wood from these trees? Maybe laws need to be enforced to companies who wish to use special woods and follow extreme procedures to help prevent waste and preserve these trees for many generations.

Buffet had such great quality now it's horrible. I looked at a horn yesterday and the pads on lower joint leaked so badly if this lower joint were a boat it would sink to the bottom of the ocean. He got them here in Los Angeles and to have them adjusted there would be a 1 year waiting period at RDG Woodwinds. I can't blame RDG, I have to blame Buffet for not caring about how the horns are cured and that the pads don't seal.

So if horns are made right, oiled often, good quality bore oil, once a year, keys kept oiled every 6 months, kept in mint playing condition, could a great horn made correctly last a person a lifetime? Maybe! I surely believe so. So many pros kept their horns all of there playing lives. Robert Marcellus had a 1928 pre-R13. So if he kept his in working condition with all of his playing, well we all surely can.

Lets all start servicing our horns every 6 months to a year at the most. Send your horns to me if you are broke. But be honest. You have to be broke. I'll oil the bores and use special key oil. I will adjust any leaking pads to a point for free; to save a tree! People on the board who have had their horns done by me know I don't charge except for expensive parts and I do great work. I have to, I studied with the best. Hans Moennig and Robert Marcellus took his horns to Moennig.

Lets write to Buffet and politely ask them to improve on their products. They don't need 5 plus different pro models. Just a great R13 will be fine, or whatever they wish to call it. Same with other companies who offer 5 different pro models. We only need one great pro model and one fine student model.

I'll close with this. I offered for free to help Buffet. They ignored me. If we all write maybe they will take pride and save some trees and make amazing quality horns. :)

KLOSE - GREAT post...


Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces


Yamaha Artist 2015




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 Re: CITIS
Author: Klose 2017
Date:   2017-02-14 00:52

From the information given by Matthew, the situation looks very terrible for us clarinetists...



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 Re: CITIS
Author: dorjepismo 2017
Date:   2017-02-14 02:44

Presumably oboists have the same situation, and a rigorous enforcement would make international orchestra tours and music festivals/workshops impossible. Does anyone know of instances of clarinets being confiscated?

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