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Re: Post-Truth

Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2016-11-19 21:05

Morrigan wrote:

> I'm with Peter on this - Tony, it certainly feels like a bit of
> a personal attack on him & the credibility of his discovery.

Glipman wrote:

> Tony, nobody looks at the clarinet BBoard for particularly
> "credible" statements.
>

I expect that when something is presented as fact, it has a credible source. When, as often happens, a comment begins with something like "Opperman told me..." or "Marcellus always said..." we know the source and can deal with it as we wish and decide for ourselves how much authority to give it. If a historical statement is made, why is it a personal attack to ask who first made it and on what authority?

[Glipman]
> It's a place to start. It's opinion.

Peter didn't present an opinion, he reported a factual circumstance he'd learned from someone else. All Tony did initially (in the other thread) was to ask what the source was. Knowing that might lead the rest of us to further information (should we want it) beyond the origin of the movement in question - or not, depending on what it was.
>

[Morrigan]
>
> So you feel this discovery has been misconstrued?

I simply didn't get this from Tony's original post (in the other thread). He has tried to suggest more than once since then that Peter's information could well be true.

[Glipman]
> Pete clearly has his sources - if you disagree, it's YOUR job
> to invetigate.

To me, this sounds belligerent and a little unfair (tone?). This wasn't at the beginning a matter of disagreement.Peter said he'd discovered something and Tony asked for further information. It's hard to investigate a source when you don't know what it is. Discussion need not be an adversarial process. And it really isn't anyone's job here to do anything except to read, to think and then, if you like, to write. We all have enough to do in our lives without our being assigned jobs here.

[Morrigan]
> You may
> have had the best of intentions starting this thread, but your
> tone seems otherwise.
>

We all hear tone differently, as everyone here knows. Tony is quite able to justify what he wrote for himself without my help, but I do have a sense that there is over-reaction at work here and perhaps an over-emphasis on "tone quality" over substance and meaning (the double entendre involving music is intended). And someone else's intent is something we really can't often know or demonstrate, so is maybe better left out of a discussion that is to remain useful.

Karl

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