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Author: rmhoon
Date: 2016-02-06 05:20
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I just picked up a R13 online. To my pleasant surprise it came with a nice Charles Bay mouthpiece. To my greater surprise, it has C Bay stamped on both joints above the serial number. It looks like a factory stamp, but of course I'm not sure. Has anyone ever seen this before or know anything about it?
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Author: Ed
Date: 2016-02-06 05:29
I believe that at some point Bay would pick instruments and tweak them for sale.
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Author: gwie
Date: 2016-02-09 03:39
One of my students has a set of 70's era R-13's that were modified by Charles Bay, with the same marking above the serial.
A colleague of mine once got scammed in a private sale during college (by her teacher no less) where an instrument with the same markings (C. Bay above the serials) and a number of interesting modifications was passed off to her as an R-13. It was actually a modified E-13 with the model number rubbed out.
Edit: Just to be clear, I am not in any way claiming that Charles Bay did any of his work with the intention to scam people. No. I've just run into too many shady people out in my area in the past twenty years or so with Bay-modified clarinets trying to pass them off in sales to unsuspecting students as being more special (or different models) than they actually were.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2016-02-09 19:38
Not sure why everyone's pussy-footing around Charles Bay's name (presumably he's the 'person in question'?) -- can I write "Valdemort" here or is that also forbidden?
Also not sure what the insinuations about, but personally I'm grateful for the pioneering (if not always tastefully executed) modifications he made to bass clarinets back in the 1970s when I was in school. Back in the dark ages, we all played on stuffy, poorly vented instruments with crappy ergonomics and nearly horizontal mouthpiece angles that made us play with the instrument tilted way back under our chairs. He modified Vitos (yes, with his name on them) with much better venting of the toneholes and the first neck re-angling service (later changed to custom necks made with a decent angle).
We take these design features for granted how as they have been incorporated pretty much across the board into modern bass clarinets, but it wasn't always that way, pre-Bay.
Just sayin'.....
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Author: TomS
Date: 2016-02-10 05:48
Charlie did some interesting and well meaning stuff. He was quite an enthusiastic character to talk to! I ran up some expensive long distance bills engaging in never ending phone conversations with him many years ago. His bass clarinet mods for student line instruments were fantastic. I played one of his H1 (medium open/long) for years which worked with VD blue box and stock R13 barrel quite well ... dark sound.
I guess he has departed this Earth?
Tom
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