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Author: Matt74
Date: 2015-11-24 05:17
I'm using a brand new Rovner dark. The problem is that when I go to pull the mouthpiece off the ligature slips and comes off. My mpc is a bit snug, but not too much. Is there wax or something on the ligature? Any fix? I liked the old ones because they gripped so well.
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Author: tylerleecutts
Date: 2015-11-24 09:14
If you use a mouthpiece with a small diameter you may need to just tighten it more than you think you need to, or move the ligature down.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2015-11-24 09:18
Rough up the inside surface of the Rovner with fairly aggressive sandpaper -- say 320 or 240. Don't take too much off. You might also rough up the top of the mouthpiece.
Rovner's instructions say to tighten the ligature up only until it doesn't leak. I think I get better results from tightening it up snug and then loosening the screw 1/4 turn.
Another solution is to attach a strip of sandpaper with Superglue to the top of the mouthpiece or the top inside of the ligature.
If you're using a Legere, peel the label off the "bark" area.
Ken Shaw
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2015-11-24 17:59
I'm not sure what Paul was thinking of, but one thing about Legeres is that they are thinner than most cane reeds - even the ones made with traditional thickness blanks. So, on some mouthpieces it may be hard to get a ligature tight enough to hold firmly.
I've found also that some of my Rovners slip even with thick blank reeds, as does the Optima I'm currently using. I've found a way to grip the whole thing so that I'm holding more mouthpiece (above and below the ligature) than just the ligature, which seems to solve the problem. Just make sure the tenon is greased to minimize the resistance.
Karl
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-11-24 23:21
Maybe I like the suggestion that the Rovner to which we refer is too large.
What I was thinking about Legere is this: It becomes clear with a plastic reed that the ONLY thing holding a conically shaped ligature onto a conically shaped mouthpiece is the FRICTION between a cane reed and mouthpiece, and the FRICTION between a cane reed and ligature. Remove the friction and you remove the grip.
I found this out fast during my Legere experiments. Any ligatures that already tended to be less grippy, didn't even stand a chance of working with the Legeres. It was only THEN I realized how tentative the whole proposition is. We just take this for granted our whole careers and don't necessarily consider what is actually happening.
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: knotty
Date: 2015-11-24 23:33
I've always been leery of pulling the mpc off with everything attached in fear the reed may shift a bit. In which case might as well take the reed off and place it again.
Otherwise, Karl's suggestion of having the tenon well lubed combined with a grip makes sense.
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2015-11-25 01:13
Paul Aviles wrote:
> Maybe I like the suggestion that the Rovner to which we refer
> is too large.
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It's funny about ligature sizes. I started gripping my mouthpiece the way I've described when I couldn't get my Rovner Versa (which I'm not currently using) to stay still. It is arguably a little too large for my mouthpiece. But recently I bought a Rovner Next Generation ligature - a metal device with narrow horizontal bands and spaces - because a student had one for his bass clarinet that sounded terrific and loves it. I can't get it around my reed - it slides off the edges on one side or the other because it just doesn't reach far enough across to seat solidly.
Same company - both Rovners. Go figure.
Karl
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2015-11-25 03:37
You could try gluing a small piece of thin leather (the sort obtained from an old sax pad is fine) inside top part of your ligature, this increases the friction considerably.
I use this to keep a VD optimum from slipping on a VD crystal mouthpiece.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2015-11-26 17:52
Make the ligature tighter, that's one really good thing about them, they don't choke off the reed, and keep the cork on the MP well greased, should not be a problem.
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Author: Matt74
Date: 2015-11-26 20:45
Thanks. I'm using natural reeds. It holds the reed well for playing. The ligature is the correct size. The material slips against the mouthpiece when you remove the mouthpiece, like when you swab the clarinet during playing. The old ones were really "sticky", like soft rubber. You could grab em and twist without anything moving. I'm wondering if the new ones have plastic instead, they do seem stiffer and more slippery. I have to tighten it way up to stop it, and that's not full proof. I didn't really want to glue anything like sandpaper or leather on, although I did consider scuffing the ligature up inside. I thought of trying a quick wipe with paint thinner to the inside of the ligature to soften the rubber.
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2015-11-27 03:23
Why don't ypou want to glue something on the inside? If it fixes the problem that's what counts.
But sandpaper !!!!! I wouldn't recommend
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