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Author: JHowell
Date: 2015-07-12 06:29
Pfffft. Don't know why I can't seem to add an attachment. My attachment is a shot of Hans Moennig's advice on instrument care and break-in, which doesn't say "don't oil the bore," but does say that it is unnecessary ant that most players, if not all good ones, feel that it deadens the sound of the instrument. Again, I don't care if YOU oil your bore, I don't care how YOUR clarinet sounds or feels. But I can't think of a single professional colleague, from regional to major US orchestras, who uses bore oil. Pushing bore oil at every opportunity presents a skewed point of view to those who don't have access to this consensus.
Post Edited (2015-07-12 06:47)
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2015-07-12 17:22
David, I'm not sure what your point is. Whether or not to oil our clarinet bores was a disputed issue long before you started reading and posting here, and citing authority is not a new debate technique. There are other authorities, concurrent and historical (Jack has named one), who are either ambivalent toward oiling or explicitly recommend against it, to counter Mr. Mueller.
We're basically flogging a dead horse. Those of us who are more comfortable because they oil regularly will and probably should continue. Whether or not it protects the clarinet itself, it makes the oilers feel more secure. Those of us who are unconvinced of the need will just take our chances.
Karl
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2015-07-12 17:25
FWIW, I have to my recollection never, BTW, read anything here on the BB proposing any schedule of oiling as aggressive as the one in this Penzel, Mueller care sheet.
Karl
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Author: The Doctor ★2017
Date: 2015-07-12 20:42
Disclaimer ( I sell a plant derived bore oil and genuine Grenadilla oil)
Indeed the argument about oiling or not and what kind of oil and what frequency has been hashed ad infinitum. But many recount anecdotal experience or advice from long dead mentors.
The science of wood care and preservation has evolved tremendously in the last half century and many old wife's tales about oiling wood are just wrong today given our increased knowledge and scientific achievements.
No one can argue with the player of 50 years that has never oiled their instrument but in our current and recent past history there has been considerable proof that the wood used in instrument making may not be of the same quality and stability as used in these older instruments. There is scientific proof that in drying conditions that instrument wood will loose oil and moisture which change the dimensions of the instrument.
Possibly the most important fact about oiling is that many people in the past have used improper oil, either petroleum based or organic oils, that do not penetrate into the wood well. Now that there is scientific proof that certain plant oils will penetrate wood deeply we should probably discount many of the old oiling recommendations about the proper oil and the frequency of oiling if it is done at all.
We also know that each piece of the instrument probably comes from a different tree and therefore each piece has different characteristics and will gain or loose oil and moisture at a different rate than its brother or sister piece. Therefore, if we oil it should be the pieces and not the entire instrument that we oil and inspect for oiling needs.
We should therefore examine the current science and hard data about oiling before going back to recommendations and advice that has definitely been proven wrong and outdated.
L. Omar Henderson
www.doctorsprod.com
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Author: derf5585
Date: 2015-07-12 21:25
What brand of boring oil should I use?
fsbsde@yahoo.com
Post Edited (2015-07-12 21:26)
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