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Author: ClarinetTH
Date: 2015-03-19 20:53
Anyone have an advice about Buffet showroom at NYC ?
I have some trip to do recital at NY and I'm looking for new clarinet. I think I will buy there.
Anyone know about price and other basic information that I should know ?
Thankyou
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-03-19 21:24
Don't know but it might be handy to have a Woodwind Brasswind price for the horn you want so you can say, "Um, but Woodwind Brasswind is selling R13s for $3,200."
..........Paul Aviles
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Author: TomS
Date: 2015-03-19 22:18
Can you not select the specific instrument in NYC and purchase the same through a dealer, such as Woodwind Brasswind or Weiner Music? In other words, a Buffet dealer gets credit and makes money on the sale?
I didn't know Buffet sold direct ...
Tom
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Author: derf5585
Date: 2015-03-19 22:23
Don't forget the New York City local sales and use tax rate is 4.5 percent. City and state sales tax combined is 8.875 percent.
fsbsde@yahoo.com
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Author: ClarinetTH
Date: 2015-03-20 01:56
What is " better than 20% VAT in Italy " ?
Can you explain please
Clarinetist from Thailand
earth.qdxz@hotmail.com
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Author: A Brady
Date: 2015-03-20 01:57
I purchased an RC Prestige B flat and an 1193 bass that I selected at the NY Showroom 4 years ago. I actually purchased the instruments from an authorized Buffet dealer in Florida, as this is how it is set up: try the instrument at the Showroom, then buy it through any authorized dealer.
This is a great way to try a large selection of instruments at once, and Laurie Orr, the manager, is wonderful to work with. I would contact her to let her know you are coming, and she will know which specific instruments you are looking for.
AB
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Author: ClarinetTH
Date: 2015-03-20 02:07
Thank you for yours help
I already contact with Laurie Orr, but I'm not sure about price
I known that is very confortable to choose one from a lot of Clarinet there
I just find some information for decision, However thank all of you for information
Clarinetist from Thailand
earth.qdxz@hotmail.com
Post Edited (2015-03-20 02:08)
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Author: Steven Ocone
Date: 2015-03-20 02:26
I'm not sure that the show room will actually sell it. You may have to select it there but complete the purchase at a music store that is a Buffet dealer (I sold one clarinet this way). Professional Buffet clarinets have a minimum selling price. Any dealer that sells for less is breaking their dealer agreement.
Steve Ocone
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2015-03-20 05:45
I want to say that you must buy things you like in the Buffet showroom from a dealer, and that Buffet will not sell it to you directly.
If you're anywhere near NYC or Jacksonville, this is an interesting way to buy an instrument if you've decided to go Buffet. You get a large selection to choose from, and you don't alienate your local dealer, who you may need for service of the instrument eventually.
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Author: derf5585
Date: 2015-03-20 07:37
"Professional Buffet clarinets have a minimum selling price. Any dealer that sells for less is breaking their dealer agreement."
Isn't that called Price Fixing?
fsbsde@yahoo.com
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Author: JHowell
Date: 2015-03-20 08:49
No, it's called protecting the dealer network. There are a number of different manufacturers of different products who control distribution and pricing for this reason. If their pricing is not competitive relative to the value of their product then they lose market share, but it is a business decision not to allow a few large-volume sellers drive out small dealers (who are valuable to both customers and the manufacturers for service). It is no use being a Buffet dealer if WWBW is selling clarinets for less than your cost because they can afford to buy 300 at a time and you can only afford to stock five.
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Author: saxlite
Date: 2015-03-21 03:00
Concerning the 20% additional Value Added Tax common in Europe: if you are a non- European person travelling in Europe and wish to select and buy an instrument there, you merely inform the dealer that the item will be taken out of the Euro zone. He will issue you some paperwork that allows you to get the 20% refunded as you leave; most major airports have an office that handles this transaction and refunds your 20% immediately. Allow enough time before your plane takes off......
Jerry
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2015-03-21 03:21
The VAT in Europe (15-30%) was introduced in the late 1950s as a temporary tax...
VAT on used instruments entering the EU is outrageous since sales tax has been paid by the first owner.
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2015-03-21 18:42
I'll welcome any claims that a VAT may be too high a percentage in places, but not that VAT as an idea is bad.
In the States, tax is levied only on the final buyer and seller, each paying a portion of the tax depending upon market forces, at least when the lawful interstate purchase of goods and services cited by Dave B. above is not used.
Dave B's thoughts work best with items that are relatively inexpensive to ship and otherwise of high value.
Yes, true: in the States the end buyer pays the tax and the end seller collects it for government, but the overall purchase price, which includes tax, fluctuates to reflect how much each side of the transaction pays their share of that tax. For example, cigarette taxes are normally mostly paid by the (addicted) consumer. Goods on which their are more choices have their taxes more equally shared between final seller and user: even sometimes mostly paid by the seller in reduced prices before tax. While this has ripple effects to the seller's seller etc., it's not as direct as a VAT.
The VAT, or value added tax system, as many may know, for all its imperfection, applies tax at each point from product creation until final end consumer purchase based upon how much value has been added to the product at each step. The amount of value added at each step may be hard to calculate, but the tax is shared by all involved in bringing product from conception to market, not just on the final 2 transactors.
For all the arguments of government getting more than its share, and the inefficiencies with which they spend it, you would not believe how much tax revenue is lost when small US companies buy products under the US system, for their end use, or worse, their employee's personal end use, using reseller certificates that allow them to not pay tax under the guise that they aren't the final user of the product (upon which such taxes are levied), when in fact they have every intention on using, and not reselling the good or service. Under a VAT, that "monkey business" is impossible.
At least in theory, the first owner only paid under a VAT, a portion of the overall tax based on how much value was added to the product up until that point. If the second owner then, say, silver plates the product, they charge tax to the next owner only on the worth of silver plating. Under the US system, it's too easy to have the original owner avoid tax by selling (on the books at least) the good to the silver plater (tax free--as neither are the end seller or consumer), rather than owning the inventory and paying (with tax) for their silver plating sevices, even if the silver plater pays slightly less for product for the cost of dealing with tax (assuming the are the final seller).
Point being, there's too much opportunity to "cook the books" under the US System.
Perfects markets wouldn't care at what point tax is applied, as they're would be perfect ripple effects to the prior and future owners, but such markets don't exist.
Claims that each transactor pays too much VAT I take no issue with. The system is, like all legitimate markets, flawed, if not well intentioned.
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