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Author: DNBoone
Date: 2015-03-10 23:29
Hello!
I've been searching for a clarinet, possibly a Bb/A pair, that has a LH Eb/Ab lever and the articulated C#/G#. I know the disadvantages of it but I mainly play bass clarinet and my selmer bass has the articulated keys. I would love a clarinet that plays the same as my bass as I play my bass way more.
I know pretty much all manufacturers have the LH Ab lever but it seems no one is making the Articulated C# anymore. Any leads?
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2015-03-11 01:04
I think you will need to look a used instruments to get these keys.
Leblanc Buffet and selmer made full Boehm instruments but certainly they sometimes made semi-full models i.e. without the extra low Eb mechanism.
With this you also get the forked Bb/Eb which is very handy in addition to articulated C#/G# and LH Ab/Eb.
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2015-03-11 01:11
Amati still makes a full Boehm model with the articulated C#/G# key:
http://www.amati.cz/en/woodwind-instruments/clarinets/b-ehm-system/item/175-acl-624v
I think that there is an Italian company that also makes a full boehm but I forget their name.
Jdbassplayer
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Author: James S
Date: 2015-03-11 01:12
Oops double post. Disregard this one 😄
Post Edited (2015-03-11 01:15)
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Author: James S
Date: 2015-03-11 01:14
Patricola makes an eefer (cl1) with an articulated c#/g# and two Bbs (cl4 and cl5) with that feature. The cl4 is a full boehm (down to Eb) while the cl5 doesn't go down to Eb. I know muncy winds and wiener music are both patricola dealers. You could also talk to one of the family directly! I bet they'll make an A with the articulation key no problem.
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Author: DNBoone
Date: 2015-03-11 02:00
@WhitePlainsDave not really. I'm really looking for the articulated stuff.
@James_S I will check out the Patricola more. Although I don't know anyone with one. I did get to feel them a bit at TMEA but testing instruments at a conference is slightly better than useless. It also seems that past posts on here are very hit and miss with them...
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Author: James S
Date: 2015-03-11 02:26
Did you like em at the conference? The problem with posts on here about patricolas is that they are old. The patricola family tweeks their horns every year and a 2014 Patricola plays waaaayyyy differently than a 2010, which is different from a 2006, etc. I've played around on some from both 2013 and 2009. The newer ones are far better than the old ones IMO. I was hoping to drive down to TMEA this year but I couldn't scrape the free time and funds together :(
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Author: DNBoone
Date: 2015-03-11 02:57
I did but really the only thing I can comment is how they feel as it is impossible to hear anything in there. If you find your way there next year feel free to share a hotel with me.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2015-03-11 03:43
Check the current status with Patricola and Ripamonti to see if they still offer articulated C#/G# on their clarinets.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2015-03-11 12:36
When I tried Patricola clarinets a couple of years ago they were drastically better than when I tried them about ten years ago.
Buffet, Selmer and Leblanc have made clarinets with articulated C#/G#. At least here, Selmers are the most common (but all are pretty rare really).
If the issue is being able to try it, then maybe the only option is to find a used one in your area. Otherwise it's a gamble anyway...?
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2015-03-11 17:38
O.P. : the desire for clarinets with such articulated design is entirely your right; for whatever reason(s)--I respect that.
But is your reason for feeling this way centered around the desire to affect, clarion F#/G# or chalameau B/C# trills, or perhaps something else?
If so, wouldn't a $70 accessory like Fox's aforementioned R1 touchpiece be able to effect this result rather than buying a clarinet with such features.
Perhaps you are not expressly seeking such features, but perhaps better described as "in the market for new instruments, and while there, looking into the models that already have this feature."
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2015-03-11 18:29
The Fox gizmo allows playing or trilling the C#/G# using the right hand. An articulated C#/G# allows playing right hand notes while keeping the C#/G# key pressed.
Other than the B-C# (F#-G#) possible with the right hand (or Bb-Db termolo, by using middle finger for first ring), if it is not a problem to have the top pad closed (in the case of the using the extra touchpiece... which it might), then that is really the only similar thing, which is still a little different because of the different fingerings for them.
Sounds like it's irrelevant to the OP, but worth mentioning that the articulated C#/G# makes some fingerings (especially some multiphonics) impossible to do.
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Author: Kenton153
Date: 2015-03-15 09:49
I am in the exact predicament as OP. I play my selmer bass A LOT and also saxophone quite a bit and i miss the feature on my Bb clarinet.
Can anyone recommend a person to modify an instrument using this feature?
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Author: Jeff Chan
Date: 2015-03-15 17:59
Rossi offers the articulated C#/G# mechanism on his clarinets, as well as the left hand Ab/Eb key.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2015-03-15 18:01
A regular clarinet with the fixed C#/G# key can be adapted and fitted with an articulated C#/G#, but it is even more critical the middle tenon is a rock solid fit in the socket and also lines up perfectly every time.
There are a number of ways to build this mechanism, but all of them will need a rocker linkage that connects the RH ring keys to the C#/G# pad cup to close it.
Buffet Prestige basses have the pad cup sprung open and controlled by the heavier spring of the C#/G# touchpiece just like a sax or oboe, so on them it's a much simpler affair to make it truly articulated by fitting a linkage bar with an adjusting screw to link it to the RH main action. I had that done to my bass as I use articulated C#/G# a lot as it's standard on saxes, full Boehm system clarinets and oboes.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: DNBoone
Date: 2015-03-16 01:37
@Chris i thought about going the route to just have someone add one but unless it has the front facing C#/G# (a la the old buffets with it on the tenon) I think the work would just be too extensive. I'm just going to keep my eye out for a full boehm (with or without the low Eb) that I like. They made selmer recitals with them for a while. Maybe I will get lucky and come across one.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2015-03-16 01:45
I've only seen one Selmer Recital fitted with articulated C#/G# and LH Ab/Eb which was on eBay several years ago - also a set of Yamaha Customs where the Bb was a full Boehm and the A had everything apart from the low Eb, so there are some rarities out there.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: azuka
Date: 2015-05-19 18:55
I just got an email inquiry from someone who bought a European R13 at a garage sale! But they didn't know what to make of the 'extra keys.'
With the photos sent me, it was easy to confirm they had an articulated Buffet from the so-called 'Golden Era.' But without the extended range.
Why don't I ever find such cool things at garage sales?
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