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Author: Exiawolf
Date: 2015-01-21 03:02
Greetings!
Does anyone have tips on how to get used to the large chunk of material you need to stick into your mouth to play the M30 Lyre? Every time I do the open G test, i practically swallow the mouthpiece and end up backing off to where I'm comfortable which causes some resistance issues.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-01-21 03:14
I haven't actually played the "D" myself (never fit my Wurlitzers), but this IS the configuration of traditional German mouthpieces.....really long lay (part of what gets "that sound").
...........Paul Aviles
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Author: tylerleecutts
Date: 2015-01-21 03:19
Are we talking about the M30 Lyre, or the M30 D?
Drastically different mouthpieces. .
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-01-21 05:44
Many apologies ...... I have been reading too quickly lately.
Um, I think though that the Lyre IS a bit longer than the non Lyre counterpart. It could be that you have just become comfortable with the feel of "less mouthpiece." If this is not a Profile 88, then you have that as an option, but I think it is a matter of looking at this a learning opportunity and just "going with it" for a few weeks before making any further judgements.
Sorry again for the initial mis-read.
.............Paul Aviles
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Author: Exiawolf
Date: 2015-01-21 05:54
Do you mean to just play with it stuffed in my face for a few weeks to get used to it (Which I'm going to try) Or just keep the smaller amount in. (Its a non profile 88 by the way)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-01-21 16:21
Try the new posture........you already know what's "comfortable now."
Of course I'm not advocation buying your way out of the problem but the 88 Profile allows the same "intake" with a slightly less open jaw.
.............Paul Aviles
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Author: brycon
Date: 2015-01-21 22:21
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Does anyone have tips on how to get used to the large chunk of material you need to stick into your mouth to play the M30 Lyre? Every time I do the open G test, i practically swallow the mouthpiece and end up backing off to where I'm comfortable which causes some resistance issues.
Simple solution: forget about the stupid "Open G Test." Go see a good teacher, and see what they think about your embouchure. Don't change your playing because of what people here say; they haven't heard you play.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-01-21 23:40
We are talking about the fulcrum point where the mouthpiece and reed come together. If you prefer to take in less mouthpiece than where this occurs you affectively are playing on a mouthpiece with a shorter lay.......period. Nothing stupid about it. If I'd know this the 13 years a played Wurlitzers, it would have saved me a lot of heartache and poor mouthpiece performance.
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: brycon
Date: 2015-01-21 23:53
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We are talking about the fulcrum point where the mouthpiece and reed come together. If you prefer to take in less mouthpiece than where this occurs you affectively are playing on a mouthpiece with a shorter lay.......period. Nothing stupid about it. If I'd know this the 13 years a played Wurlitzers, it would have saved me a lot of heartache and poor mouthpiece performance.
It's bad advice, which has the potential to screw up someone's playing. So I think it is stupid (at least in the medium of an online forum).
Just messing around on my own instrument a few minutes ago, I was able to manipulate my embouchure and airstream so that I could take the entire beak of the mouthpiece into my mouth before getting a higher partial; Exiawolf may be doing something with her air, oral cavity, embouchure, etc. that allows her to take in too much mouthpiece. Without seeing or hearing her play, saying "buy a new mouthpiece" or "keep sticking more mouthpiece into your mouth" is terrible advice.
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Author: bmcgar ★2017
Date: 2015-01-21 23:58
brycon,
The quickest way to keep people here from listening to what you have to say is telling people that their advice is bad or stupid, even if it is bad or stupid.
B.
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Author: brycon
Date: 2015-01-22 00:25
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The quickest way to keep people here from listening to what you have to say is telling people that their advice is bad or stupid, even if it is bad or stupid.
That's a shame: I would think the quickest way to keep people from listening to what you have to say would be to post stupid things.
But perhaps I shouldn't have been so harsh; Paul was only trying to help someone with a problem. Though when we can't see or hear the person with the problem, I think the best advice (practically and morally) is to tell them to go visit a competent teacher.
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Author: Exiawolf
Date: 2015-01-22 01:05
First off, I'm a male (no offense taken as really there's no way to tell).
Secondly, I appreciate just getting the viewpoint from everyone, and would hate to see this devolve into a "Who is right" conversation.
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Author: TomS
Date: 2015-01-22 02:02
Try the profile 88 ... I use the M30-lyre (not 13 series), profile 88 and M13, profile 88 and the amount of MP in your pie hole is about the same, maybe a tiny little more on the M30-lyre ...
BTW, my M30-lyres play more open, brighter and with less "hold" than my M13s. M30-lyre is great for noisy community band playing using a VD blue box reed. Can't get V12s to work very well on this MP ... odd.
The thinner beak will help your uncomfortable feeling.
I played a Morgan for several years, and it was a "duckbill" design ... you could insert it up to the ligature screws ...
Tom
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2015-01-22 03:22
There is a valid point about seeing a teacher. This IS good advice, however that could easily be the answer to every question put forth by someone on the board. The advice given without the benefit of an in-person assessment is a 'best guess' and should not treated as gospel, only a suggestion.
It's also helpful to keep the negative judgements to a minimum. Something may work for one person and not another. That's why it is a GOOD thing that we have so many different ideas expressed by this community.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: shadow1
Date: 2015-01-22 05:21
Just yesterday I bought a B45 profile 88 after testing almost every mp at the shop. What I found was that the profile 88 mps required less mouth on the mp and also that they didn't make my mouth as sore when compared to the other types of B45s that were not profile 88.
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Author: tylerleecutts
Date: 2015-01-22 07:56
The M30 Lyre definitely has a shorter facing than a M30, and is advertised as such.
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