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Author: clarchick
Date: 2010-12-30 18:53
Ok, what a confusing blur of information......when I look up serial numbers, sometimes two options come up for the same serial number. Also, so many designations- BC1131-2, R13, RC, etc. How can you really tell what is what? Thanks!
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Author: pewd
Date: 2010-12-30 21:42
go here: http://www.buffet-crampon.com/en/instruments.php?mode=productsList&cid=10
R13, RC, are the different models.
click through one of the models and select 'specifications' and you'll find the model numbers. 1131-2 is a silver plated Bb R13 for instance.
r13's:
BC1131-2-0 Bb (silver plated keys)
BC1131G-2-0 Bb Green Line(silver plated keys)
BC1131-5-0 Bb (nickel plated keys)
BC1131G-5-0 Bb Green Line (nickel plated keys)
BC1231-2-0 A (silver plated keys)
BC1231-5-0 A (nickel plated keys)
BC1231G-2-0 A Green Line (silver plated keys)
BC1131L Bb with Eb lever
BC1231L A with Eb lever
BC1531-2-0 Eb (silver plated keys)
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: clarchick
Date: 2010-12-30 22:57
Thanks,
So what would BC 1231 be? No other numbers or letters. This is after putting in a serial number into the website.
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Author: Brian F
Date: 2010-12-30 23:18
Hey not to change the subject too much, but I was wondering why my R13 doesn't show up on Buffet's website or most charts. It's serial is 570/// and I bought it about a year ago.
Brian
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2010-12-30 23:42
BC 1231 would be an R13 A clarinet. At the time your clarinet was made, Buffet's coding system may not have included as much information as the more recent coding system Paul describes now does.
Brian, your clarinet does not show up because it is probably too recent to be included in Buffet's chart. As I recall, the chart only includes instruments through around 2006. Why don't they update the database to include more recent numbers? Ask them. They probably have better things to do with their time than keep a public database that is of very little value to them internally up-to-date.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Keith Bowen
Date: 2014-09-02 22:48
I am looking for the year of manufacture of a Buffet Bb bass clarinet, German/simple system, to low E. Buffet-Crampon logo is clear and the serial number is also clear, 1584. I can't find this in the lists of Buffet serial numbers referred to on the Bulletin Board. Anyone got a clue?
Keith Bowen
Keith Bowen
Emeritus Professor of Engineering, Warwick University UK
RCM Scholar supported by Pamela Weston Award
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2014-09-03 00:01
Keith Bowen wrote:
> I am looking for the year of manufacture of a Buffet Bb bass
> clarinet, German/simple system, to low E. Buffet-Crampon logo
> is clear and the serial number is also clear, 1584. I can't
> find this in the lists of Buffet serial numbers referred to on
> the Bulletin Board. Anyone got a clue?
>
> Keith Bowen
>
1584 would correspond to the year 1928
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Author: Keith Bowen
Date: 2014-09-03 00:14
Many thanks. Can you point me to the source of this information, please?
Best wishes
Keithjdbassplayer wrote:
> Keith Bowen wrote:
>
> > I am looking for the year of manufacture of a Buffet Bb bass
> > clarinet, German/simple system, to low E. Buffet-Crampon logo
> > is clear and the serial number is also clear, 1584. I can't
> > find this in the lists of Buffet serial numbers referred to
> on
> > the Bulletin Board. Anyone got a clue?
> >
> > Keith Bowen
> >
>
> 1584 would correspond to the year 1928
Keith Bowen
Emeritus Professor of Engineering, Warwick University UK
RCM Scholar supported by Pamela Weston Award
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Author: jdbassplayer
Date: 2014-09-03 03:32
Here it is:
http://www.uark.edu/ua/nc/ClarinetCollections/BuffetClarinetsSerialNumber.htm
Glad I could help!
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Author: Keith Bowen
Date: 2014-09-03 10:49
Many thanks, jd. I did not look that far in the list as I thought the instrument was 19th century! (and so did the very distinguished period performer for whom I am reconditioning it). Do you (or anyone) know if this list includes all instruments made by Buffet? Just wondering if there were separate lists for bass (or other) instruments.
Thanks
Keith
Keith Bowen
Emeritus Professor of Engineering, Warwick University UK
RCM Scholar supported by Pamela Weston Award
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2014-09-03 20:12
Starting at least in 1950, Buffet does indeed have a separate list for its low clarinets. If you scroll down the page jdbassplayer referenced, you will find a list for "harmony" clarinets. This list pertains to bass clarinets, alto clarinets and probably basset horns. The odd number that it starts on suggests that it may be a continuation of an earlier sequence. If so, the earlier list is not publicly available (to my knowledge) and may have been lost during World War II or during the financial upheaval the company suffered shortly after the war or perhaps such a list was never compiled from the detailed factory records Buffet maintains for each instrument it produces.
It's possible that early Buffet bass clarinets are included in the list jdbassplayer referenced and that a separate sequence came later but that is certainly open to question. And 1928 seems very late for Buffet still to be making simple system clarinets (though there is always the unlikely possibility of a special order). You could try contacting Buffet directly with your question. They have factory records that are not publicly available and, in the past, have been happy to respond to requests such as yours when they could.
You mention a Buffet Crampon logo so I assume that's what you have. Just to cover all the bases, though, I will mention that Auguste Buffet was a different company in the late 1800s and early 1900s, in case that's what you actually have.
If you do contact Buffet, please let us know what you find out.
Best regards,
jnk
Post Edited (2014-09-03 20:16)
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Author: Keith Bowen
Date: 2014-09-03 20:45
Jack
Thanks, I will. The instrument does seem earlier than 1928 for a number of reasons.
best wishes
Keith
Keith Bowen
Emeritus Professor of Engineering, Warwick University UK
RCM Scholar supported by Pamela Weston Award
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