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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2014-06-08 18:44
I was at a Music store this past week, and was talking to the head of instrument sales about instruments for students, after a Sax student had come in.
Music store starts with an "S", has two words, last one is something that fire causes (A), also a color..... Big from NY.
The brand starts with a Y, and has also made motors..........and pianos among other products of high quality.
There was a recent point where their student instruments almost doubled in sales price..
The salesman was telling me that the regional head of the company stopped by after the international trumpet convention nearby, and told him that the prices are high now, as in Japan, if something doesn't cost a lot, it is considered "lower quality". To go from $1100 to $1800 is insane.
So the major Sax price jump is out of ego......unfortunately.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: BobW
Date: 2014-06-08 19:10
I purchased an Alto Sax YA23 from that store one year ago
The price tag on the instrument was approx $1900
but they gave me a quote of $1389
which is what I bought it for
I followed the price of that instrument on the web from that store
for a year, it was always $1900
four weeks ago I was in that store
and it was listed for $1389
I still do not understand
what is going on with the pricing
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2014-06-08 19:22
DavidBlumberg wrote:
> Music store starts with an "S", has two words, last one is
> something that fire causes (A), also a color..... Big from NY.
>
> The brand starts with a Y, and has also made
> motors..........and pianos among other products of high
> quality.
David, either **** or get off the pot.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2014-06-08 20:32
Well, there is one more reason to this: regional and global pricing.
In the golden olden times, nearly all prices were "local", as buyers from the other side of the globe rarely to never visited other businesses. Every manufacturer set up a regional retail price, and all was fine and dandy.
Then, with increasing buyer mobility and competition, resellers started giving away their (sometimes huge) margins offered by the manufacturers. The "catalog prices" slowly forked into "suggested retail prices" and "street prices". Plus, int'l buyers got wind of what was happening over yonder and started ordering globally.
The effect is that manufacturers faced a price erosion and the lowest offered price suddenly became the "global street price", higher local prices were moot, resellers in other regions protested or wandered away. Slowly, slowly, manufacturers started forbidding resellers to sell below a certain limit and forced resellers to sell only to a certain clientele (check WWBW and "this article can be shipped globally" on eg "Y"'s articles).
What you're now witnessing is not a price increase as such, but just a correction that "huge rebates" are now a thing of the past, and everyone is expected to pay catalog prices again. (at least that'd be the idea)
I can't tell you (I don't know) where the former rebates are going now - are they going into the pockets of the retailer, of the manufacturer, split fifty-fifty, ...no idea.
--
Ben
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Author: James S
Date: 2014-06-11 05:07
I think Ben might be on the right track. I've been in this business only during recent, globalized years. I think another thing to consider is that Buffet has been raising prices recently (likely to cover their purchase of the various brands now under Buffet Group). When the "industry standard" raises their price, it certainly provides everyone else with a tangible excuse. Backun's high price points certainly don't help. The last thing we need is everyone thinking you need to spend $7,000 to get a good horn...
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2014-06-11 05:58
Back when I bought my CSG for under $2000 (yes, UNDER $2000), the Privilege was selling for around three times that amount. It could be a lot of different things. With Yamaha being so big, they may not have been watching this small segment closely enough to be remain AT-MARKET-VALUE. Sure they would sell a percentage more (maybe) at a really great price, but they may possibly make a lot more selling just a few less for...... a lot more.
The value of ANYTHING is what the market will bear. Is $120 dollars outrageously expensive for a mouthpiece? Is $700?
.............Paul Aviles
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Author: Ursa
Date: 2014-06-11 07:10
I've noticed huge increases in street price for student clarinets produced by Conn-Selmer. What gives? The Vito 7212 and Bundy, er, Selmer 1400B haven't been upgraded in decades, but have doubled in price over the last few years and are now about on par with the Yamaha YCL-255. Few would disagree that the Yamaha handily outclasses the Vito and especially the archaic Selmer 1400B.
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Author: fskelley
Date: 2014-06-11 07:21
Yes, but it's a SELMER. Some parents will still remember that as a premier brand name. Give it another 20 yr and it will have lost all its punch. There's a reason the Selmer Prestige is not called a "Bundy".
A rose by any other name...
Stan in Orlando
EWI 4000S with modifications
Post Edited (2014-06-11 07:22)
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