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Author: pplateau
Date: 2014-02-06 07:49
Plus more fun aligning tip on black mp! But if they work, who cares !
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Author: Ed
Date: 2014-02-06 19:00
Who sells Forestones? I have not seen them available.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2014-02-06 18:42
I hope they are several orders of magnitude better than the last black reeds I've tried, the horrendous Rico Plasticovers............
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Author: William
Date: 2014-02-06 18:50
David, neither the Forestone nor the Hartmann carbon fiber reeds are "plastic covered" like those old Ricos (yuk). They are both totally synthetic and for me, play quite well on my Chicago Kaspar mpc. They also work well on my Greg Smith "Cicero" model and my Ithica Bay mpc. Much better than Legere's and as good as V12's--you just need to get used to them.
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2014-02-07 09:58
Might someone have a link to these black carbon reeds you are speaking of.
These are for clarinet?...and on the Forestone website??
Or are we talking the black bamboo reeds they make for saxophone?
Thanks.
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Author: ariel3
Date: 2014-02-07 12:39
Forestone reeds may be ordered from:
Woodwind - Brasswind
Amazon
Gene
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2014-02-07 18:53
I'm sorry. Maybe my question was answered and I just don't understand the answer.
I own Forestone clarinet reeds. I've ordered them from Forestone and am familiar with their website and the links cited above.
What I am confused about is whether the black carbon reeds discussed in this post apply to clarinet reeds, or just saxophone reeds--as I seem unable to find any information on these reeds, for clarinet, on the Forestone website.
Many thanks!
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2014-02-07 19:04
I looked them up on the Foreston websiite. They have "Black Bamboo" reeds, if this is what you are asking about, and they are available for both saxophone and Bb clarinet.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: William
Date: 2014-02-07 14:33
JJ.....likewise, a musician is a "drummers" best friend because the influence may create a *percussionist*. Just couldn't resist this old one.......best.
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2014-02-07 19:44
William:
Thanks for your thoughts, but (maybe I'm having a bad day) I'm just not seeing anything on Forestone's website http://www.forestone-japan.com/index.php/welcome/ or any other pages at the website on this black bamboo product offering for clarinet.
Any specifics you have that brings me to a web page with such information will be appreciated.
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2014-02-07 14:55
https://www.forestone-japan.com/
Not a problem, I just googled Forestone anr there they were.
Tony F.
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2014-02-07 20:19
Thanks Tony.
Yes--your link, sans the welcome page reference of mine, does in fact show information on this product that I haven't seen before at the Forestone website.
Sadly though for me, the Black Carbon reed product offering appears limited to saxophonists.
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2014-02-07 20:50
If you go to the comparison chart on the link I sent, it shows black reeds for clarinet.
Tony F.
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Author: babrinka77
Date: 2014-02-08 19:04
Hello everybody,
Black bamboo reeds are not available for clarinet yet, but they told me that it will possible to purchase them next week.
Actually, they are already in the comparison chart, people from forestone told me that those black bamboo are harder and the sound is darker, they wanted a reed similar to thee blue vandoren.
Im looking forward to trying this new reeds, i currently play de forestone strenght 5 reed and i´m quite happy, but i want to try those new black bamboo...we will see!!!
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Author: pplateau
Date: 2014-02-08 19:49
I've been able to try a few of the new black; they seem harder to me than the previous Forestones and also the Legere's; So far the Legere signatures seem the best of the lot, but I need to find a way to try a M in the black bamboo. The Forestone chart for the black doesn't square with me, so far.
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Author: pplateau
Date: 2014-02-08 20:00
BTW: I have a bit of a problem with all synthetic reeds so far, wondering what if anything might be done as I do enjoy the freedom from cane problems: I get a fair amount of saliva collecting between bottom of reed near mp tip and if I don't take the reed off and dry it, it will produce a slight buzz ; sucking on it on the mp sometimes does it but not usually. I play a close tip .02 on a McClune MP . Any thoughts? your experience?
thx
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2014-02-08 15:14
Up to a point you can slide a card or thicker paper (so it doesn't disintegrate and leave paper fragments under the reed), then *gently* (not hard enough to tear the wet paper) press the reed against it to blot the water off and pull the paper out. This will work a few times, saving some disassembly and re-assembly.
Does this really seem to happen more with Legeres, or do you just see it better with them?
Karl
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Author: ThatPerfectReed
Date: 2014-02-08 21:00
Mr. Buxbaum:
When you say you've tried the new Forestone Black Carbon reeds, is that on a clarinet (as opposed to a saxophone)?
If clarinet, Bb/A or a larger member of the clarinet family--and to that end using one of Forestone's saxophone reeds?
I'm just trying to get a read (no pun intended) from people on Forestone's soon to be released clarient version of this product before I go spending another $30 regretfully.
Thanks.
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Author: William
Date: 2014-02-08 16:34
For me, saliva was a major problem when I first tried synthetic reeds, specifically, Legere. But for some reason I cannot explain, that is no longer an issue. I use Forestone reeds exclusively on all of my woodwind instruments and excess moisture has not been a problem for years. It just seemed to go away with time.......don't know "why".
BTW, I have tried the black bamboo Forestone clarinet reeds and much prefer their products from two years ago. These reeds seem to lack "heart" and flexability on my (real) Chicago Kaspar but do play slightly better on my Greg Smith "Cicero" model mpc. Still, not good enough to warrant continued use....
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2014-02-09 01:39
Since Forestone Premium Cut reeds were mentioned here, I went to look at the Forestone reeds I have to see if any were Premium Cut, intending to send for one of two if mine weren't Premium. Is there a way to tell the difference by looking at the reed? A couple of the boxes are marked "Premium Cut" but there doesn't seem to anything to identify the reeds as Premium Cut or the regular cut.
Karl
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2014-02-09 09:29
I looked at Forestone's website and maybe someone can clarify if they know... The strengths on the chart are marked as Soft, Medium, Hard, etc. but the reeds on their online shop are marked in numbers.
How can I know what number is approx matching e.g. a Vandoren reed?
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Author: babrinka77
Date: 2014-02-09 13:40
Hi Karl!
The regular cut reeds have three small protruding parts in the lower right part of the reed. The premium cut don´t have any.
Hi pplateau.
How do you compare the strenghts with the black bamboo? i play forestone regular cut number 5 and V12 3, so i´m thinking about the M or MH strenght for the black bamboo, which one would you recomend me.
Thanks!
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Author: babrinka77
Date: 2014-06-02 14:12
Hi!
A Forestone black bamboo MH for clarinet is on its way, i'll report my experience soon. They're not in the Forestone website yet but a local dealer has already recieved some samples...
I'll let you know in a few days...
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Author: Maestro_6
Date: 2014-06-04 10:30
Thanks for being willing to post a review based on your trials. I'm interested to see how these respond. The standard material reeds were always very soft for me, and I probably needed a 5.5 or 5.75 in order to make it work, which obviously doesn't exist. The new material seems to be graded harder, so I believe that can help that issue. Can you compare the strength to a Vandoren V12 once you receive the black bamboo reed?
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Author: babrinka77
Date: 2014-06-05 11:11
Hello,
Yesterday i received the black bamboo reed for clarinet, MH strenght.
I had tried both the standard and the premium cut from Forestone and
the black bamboo, is in my opinion, very better than the previous cuts.
The sound and the feeling is very close to cane, i don't use cane anymore, but with my current mp i used V12 3 before and the MH is the right strenght.
I like the sound in the clarion register, but i had some problems to keep a focused sound in the range of notes C4 to B4, i felt it a bit buzzy and not very full, the response and the staccato is good in all the regiaters.
The sound of this reed is closer to cane than with my Nick/legere reed, and for me, a real alternative to cane reeds, but the sound of the Nick/Legere reed is more equal during all the resgisters and the tonal colour is "fuller" than the sound of the black bamboo.
This reed is very good, and is worth trying it, but i think i still prefer the Nick/Legere reed, anyway, i'm not going back to cane, i'm sure about that, i think there are very good and realiable synthetic reeds to choose.
About the problems of saliva, i started playing synthetic reeds with a Rovner Light ligature, then i swithched off to a Rovner Versa ligature and it worked better, but i still had some problems with saliva. A few weeks ago i bought an Ishimory woodstone ligature and my problems with saliva are over. Now, i really enjoy the freedom of cane problems!!
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2014-06-05 15:19
Interesting note on the Ishimori ligature. This is also the ligature used by John Moses with his Legere Signature reeds.
..............Paul Aviles
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