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 How to best play this.
Author: ThatPerfectReed 
Date:   2014-01-26 05:29

In the beginning of the Lazarus Studies book two, study # 6 of 10 features

*an eigth note [D#5] following by a half note trill of [C5], followed by

* a post trill "turn" from [B4] back to [C5], following by

* an [A#5]

Does anyone have thoughts on how to attack this other than "the way which works best for you" or to "get a horn with a left [D#5]/[G#3] key?"


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Should I switch from left to right pinkies mid trill?

Should I start the trill slowly, do my pinky change, and then speed it up?

Or should I switch from right to left pinkies on the [C5] that is part of the post trill "turn," just prior to the [A#5]?

Thanks.



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 Re: How to best play this.
Author: johng 2017
Date:   2014-01-26 22:01

Assuming the C trill is from C - D, play it with the trill using LH C-D then the turn using RH B to LH C, then up to the Bb with either the RH side key fingering or a 1/1 fingering. I can see no real need to do the LH C to RH C switch you are talking about, but you could if you wanted.

John Gibson, Founder of JB Linear Music, www.music4woodwinds.com

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 Re: How to best play this.
Author: clarnibass 
Date:   2014-01-26 22:23

What does "a post trill turn" mean...?
Language berrier issue... so I'm not sure how what you describe is not Eb - C - B - C which wouldn't need switching sides or the left pinky Ab/Eb key.

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 Re: How to best play this.
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2014-01-27 01:39

The trill ends with a turn - so say it's a trill on C, (CDCDCDCD etc.) you'd end it with CDCBC.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: How to best play this.
Author: ThatPerfectReed 
Date:   2014-01-26 20:46

clarnibass

A trill with a turn:

Say your trilling on [C5]. To keep things simple we'll assume the trill involves "spinning" back and forth between this note and the one above [D5] for almost, but not entirely the length of the trill.

Just at the end of the trill the "turn" is when the player dips down to [B4], returns to [C5] and then continues playing whatever music lies ahead.


johng

You are absolutely correct....IF, I wasn't so stupid and reported the last note correctly as a [G#5] rather than the INCORRECT [A#5] that appears above..mae culpa...

That said, I think starting out the trill slow with the left pinky, switching to the right pinky, and then speeding the trill up sounds artistically pleasant, and may be the way to go.....

...unless of course anyone cares to part with a horn with a right AND left pinky [F#3] / [D#5] key.

[wink]



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 Re: How to best play this.
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2014-01-27 01:47

You can always have one fitted!

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: How to best play this.
Author: Wes 
Date:   2014-01-26 22:14

Try sliding from Eb to C with the RH little finger?

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 Re: How to best play this.
Author: johng 2017
Date:   2014-01-27 00:26

<<You are absolutely correct....IF, I wasn't so stupid and reported the last note correctly as a [G#5] rather than the INCORRECT [A#5] that appears above..mae culpa...

<< That said, I think starting out the trill slow with the left pinky, switching to the right pinky, and then speeding the trill up sounds artistically pleasant, and may be the way to go.....

I see. Your way would work, or you could try playing the Ab with RH 1 and 2 and LH 1 and 2. It depends on the instrument as to how in tune that fingering is.

John Gibson, Founder of JB Linear Music, www.music4woodwinds.com

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 Re: How to best play this.
Author: clarnibass 
Date:   2014-01-27 09:58

So the "turn" (an English term I wasn't familiar with) wasn't an issue... but the wrong last note was :)

For the C/D trill you can sometimes trill with both sides alternately and in this case finish with the right side, either for the just last trill note or for some of its length. It might be easier then trilling left and changing to the right, or not, depends on you. I sometimes use "double sided" trill regardless (not always of the same note).

Or there's John's suggestion to try.

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 Re: How to best play this.
Author: Barry Vincent 
Date:   2014-01-27 12:27

As Wes has noted, slide the right 'pinkie ' from the Eb to C. The easiest and most logical (practical) way to do it.
The real 'bugbear' of this study piece are the Bb trills in the Bb major section.
(Two top right hand trill keys together for the C ) They are on semiquavers, so short they are more mordents than trills

Skyfacer

Post Edited (2014-01-27 12:58)

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