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Author: Lee
Date: 2014-01-17 06:34
They were made by Selmer. I doubt that you can find any new (nos?) but they show up on eBay from time to time.
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Author: Musikat
Date: 2014-01-17 02:08
I have one of those! I haven't really tried it. I pulled it out the other day and was trying it with the Legere reed but it didn't hold it well. I will have to try it with my V12s and see how it sounds. It was my dad's and probably came with his clarinet. I haven't seen his actual clarinet in a long time (he is 87 and has it out in Phoenix), but his had the extra low Eb key. Is that a Selmer? or did more than one company make that style?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-01-17 12:05
Most of the big name French makers offered full Boehms (to low Eb) in their lineup, but sadly this is not the case anymore. Chances are it was probably a Selmer your dad had, although they were also made by Buffet and Leblanc. Only a few smaller companies offer them now.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-01-17 13:52
Paraschos and Ripamonti make napkin ring-style push fit ligatures.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2014-01-17 16:13
Bellison has one of these in an old photograph. The Selmer model was called the Magni-tone ligature. The Borgani saxophone company now makes a close copy called the Borgani Flextone Ligature. One source for these is Reeds on Line http://www.reedsonline.fr/contents/en-uk/d21.html.
The other ligatures suggested so far do not re-create the appearance of the original Magni-tone the way the Borgani Flextone ligature does.
The Magni-tones were once fairly common in the US. When I learned to play the clarinet in New Orleans around 1959, there were plenty of them in the band room at school, and many of the old New Orleans jazz clarinetists used them. Some could turn up on e-bay or Craig's List.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2014-01-17 16:20
Let's hope the Borgani ligatures are better made than their saxes!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2014-01-17 16:51
In the US, Matt Stohrer, saxophone repairman, may sometimes have a Magni-tone ligature in his shop or at least can tell you more about them and the Borgani copy (including the clarinet size model). His phone number is 919-901-1191.
Helen Kahike offers an extended blog essay on the original Magni-tone, even showing the original patent drawing sponsored by George Bundy in 1940. See
http://www.bassic-sax.info/blog/?p=35882.
Evan Christopher continues to develop the old Albert system style of clarinet playing I heard live in New Orleans when I was growing up, but with more modern harmonic and rhythmic qualities. The Albert system clarinet style preferred by the old players did not center around a focused vibrant point like the Boehm ideal; it projected laterally in a warm, colorful haze. This seems to be the ideal Christopher has on his Hammerschmidt clarinet, and the Magni-tone ligature may help him achieve it. The same is probably true for the Borgami re-issue. At best. it won't concentrate the sound like a well-adjusted inverse Bonade ligature but will emit a more diffuse mist of sound that seems to be everywhere in the room rather than coming from a narrow fixed point.
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Author: Bruno
Date: 2014-01-17 22:44
Someone should start manufacturing the Selmer Magni-tone ligature again. Every one I found was already sold.
Bruno.
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2014-01-18 00:42
Sorry, as I look again, it seems that the large model Borgani Flexitone fits most Bb clarinet mouthpieces. The small model is for Eb clarinet and narrow metal sax mouthpieces.
An interesting YouTube performance by Evan Christopher on his Albert system and old Maxi-tone ligature is 3 Clarinets: Ken Peplowski/ Evan Christopher/Anat Cohen playing side by side on the same stage. All three have their own distinctive concept of clarinet sound (Anat a little like Buddy DeFranco cool in the 1950s; Peplowski more biting and harder like Benny Goodman) but Christopher occupies a different landscape altogether, drawing on the pre-Benny, pre-Shaw sources of jazz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVkmBY4hg8s.
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Author: Bruno
Date: 2014-01-17 21:20
Very interesting! I thought Evan C. cut the others. He started soft and low and built the excitement - the hallmark of a good solo on up-tempo tunes - or with any solo for that matter.
I am sort of surprised at Ken P., whose solo lacked a theme and rambled a bit.
But as they say, "Who am I to talk?" I should live so long to approach their skills. Cohen sounded like Benny.
I did get a gander at the Flexitone ligature though. Kind of neat. I just ordered a VD Optimum so I'll have to wait a while.
Seabreeze, did you say that the larger of the two is the right size for clarinet?
I'd hate to order one and find out it doesn't fit.
B.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2014-01-18 02:47
There are a few Magnitones regularly up on ebay. Sometimes people are looking for lots of $ for them, but you can often find a decent deal.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2014-01-17 22:12
BOIS is also an easy pushon ligature.
I've even used O-rings as a ligature just to see if they work.....they do (although I suggest a THICK O-ring, not very thin).
Alexi
PS - I would really NOT TRUST an O-ring though. Tend to roll up on you, unless you put some sort of bump or something on the mouthpiece and make sure the O-ring is BELOW that bump. Just too much trouble.
PPS - a simple piece of velcro works too. wrap it loosely around the mouthpiece without a reed, place reed on mouthpiece, snug that puppy down over the reed and mouthpiece. Have one in my case right now for emergencies, incase my lig breaks or another player shows up without a lig.
US Army Japan Band
Post Edited (2014-01-18 03:17)
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2014-01-18 05:50
Bruno, I would ask the folks at Rayburn's music store which model fits the Bb clarinet mouthpiece. Also, you will have to decide whether you want the nickel metal model (closest to the old Selmer ones that I used to play), or one of the two other metals.
Please note that I am not recommending either the original Selmer or the newer copy of "push-on" ligatures but just following up on your original inquiry of where to find this kind of ligature. Personally, I use ligatures (Woodstone, Bonade, Rovner, BG, etc) that have at least one screw to provide tension on the reed, especially if I have to change from one clarinet to another.
By the way, did you know that Evan Christopher recently collaborated with Yvtas to create an "Evan Christopher Jazz Model" clarinet mouthpiece that is now for sale on the market? It has a very very wide tip opening but might be just right for some players. Theo Wanne also has a new clarinet mouthpiece, the Durga, with an extremely open tip. For jazz or commercial work, I prefer a fairly close to medium facing, such as the Backun Eddie Daniels mouthpiece, which is open to about 1.04 mm at the tip. For classical I like just 0.99 mm or even less. Different strokes for different folks; I'm happy to have so much to choose from today.
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Author: Bruno
Date: 2014-01-18 03:14
Thanks, Gary! I bookmarked that page (I just bought a VD Optimum ligature so it'll have to wait a while).
They're very nice looking!
B.
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Author: Bruno
Date: 2014-01-18 08:23
Seabreeze said: "By the way, did you know that Evan Christopher recently collaborated with Yvtas to create an "Evan Christopher Jazz Model" clarinet mouthpiece that is now for sale on the market? It has a very very wide tip opening but might be just right for some players. Theo Wanne also has a new clarinet mouthpiece, the Durga, with an extremely open tip. For jazz or commercial work, I prefer a fairly close to medium facing, such as the Backun Eddie Daniels mouthpiece, which is open to about 1.04 mm at the tip. For classical I like just 0.99 mm or even less. Different strokes for different folks; I'm happy to have so much to choose from today."
Wow! Too open a tip for me! But E.C. does a lot of glissing, I guess with a really well-developed embouchure like he must have playing 3, 4 hours every day, it's okay. I've actually been playing an old Woodwind brand rubber MP designed by Rob't Marcellus. It has a beautiful dark sound, is very controllable tone-wise. I don't know the specs, but it's so easy-blowing I like it better than my Vandorens. I bought it on 48th Street probably 30 years ago.
B.
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