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Author: Brandon Berke
Date: 1999-04-07 21:29
What is the difference and (dis)advantages to the Geman, Albert fingering system
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Author: Arnold the basset hornist
Date: 1999-04-08 07:01
- forked (or cross fingered) chalumeau eb' is not usable (therefore the eb'/bb'' key is longer)
- you have to slide some more often with the little fingers (therfore some rollers [like saxophone] are included and a b='/e--c#''/f#-trill)
- chalumeau a' key also presses the left hand index finger ring easing to roll the finger for actuating this key (without pitch problem as there is no coupling to the thumb and no thumb ring)
- there is no coupling between lower and upper joint
- as usally played with stronger reeds (less bend range) it needs more pitch correction mechanism
- most people say a german sys clarinet sounds darker, a few say it only (or primary) depends on the player and the mouthpiece
- MOST IMPORTANT: mainly due to the less number of instruments which is manufactured, the german sys clarinets usually are more expensive, especially the rare pitches (alto, bass, basset horn, ...)
Once (years ago) I read, at the oboe the french system was so much better that it replaced (allmost totally) the german oboe system - the difference still lifes in the reed the 'german' and 'french' style oboists are playing.
<tt>See also the following posts:</tt> No. <a href=http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?id=1258>1258</a>, <a href=http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?id=1567>1567</a>, <a href=http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?id=615>615</a>, <a href=http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?id=2360>2360</a>, <a href=http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?id=2361>2361</a>, <a href=http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?id=2373>2373</a>, <a href=http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?id=2391>2391</a>, <a href=http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?id=3047>3047</a>, <a href=http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?id=3094>3094</a>.
(Huh, what a number of links!)
Arnold, the basset hornist (german sys)
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 1999-04-09 06:33
One thing. Wulitzers are 'very' expensive! 3 - 4 times higher than R-13 here in Japan.Still they are very darker in tones compared with French Pro model clarinets.
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Author: Arnold the basset hornist
Date: 1999-04-09 08:56
Hiroshi wrote:
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One thing. Wulitzers are 'very' expensive! 3 - 4 times higher than R-13 here in Japan.Still they are very darker in tones compared with French Pro model clarinets.
Don't forget, Wurlitzer's are 'hand crafted'.
Compare your R-13 with R. Keilwerth's No. 7c Konzert, too (which is a more "fabricated", less "manufactured" model) - I only found a price of the No. 7 at the <i>Klarinetten</i> section of <a href=http://www.musikkeller.de/blasinstrumente/index.html>Musikkeller Hamburg</a>,
or just compare Yamaha's top-models of both system, <a href=http://orchester.yamaha.de/preislisten/pl_klarinetten.html>the german YCL-857II and the french YCL-SEV-E</a>.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 1999-04-13 05:35
Yes hand-made and mass-produced ones will make much price differences.Thank you for letting me know your Hambourg connection.I think Japanese people are much more interested in German or Vienna clarinets because of their darker tones.My prejudice of Yamaha:(Their president(Kawakami) sent his son to Europe to learn instruments making but he came back with motor-cycle technology) Only Yamaha Custom is usable as professional clarinets.
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2006-08-30 03:14
Yamaha produces both student and professional level German system instruments. However, their marketing arm only pitches these to the traditional German markets, i.e. Germany (duh!) and neither love nor money was good enough to pry one lose when I tried to purchase one a few years ago.
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
info@sotsdo.com
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2006-08-30 04:46
> **** "One thing. Wulitzers are 'very' expensive! 3 - 4 times higher than R-13 here in Japan.Still they are very darker in tones compared with French Pro model clarinets". **** <
There are three Wurlitzer clarinet makers.
The best and most expensive are Herbert Wurlitzer Reform-Boehm Clarinets.
Fritz Wurlitzer (Herbert's father) made wider bore German System and Reform-Albert system clarinets.
Arno Wurlitzer made Reform-Albert system clarinets.
Vytas Krass
Professional clarinet technician
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Former professional clarinet player
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-08-30 05:54
Where does Clement Wurlitzer fit into the equation?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2006-08-30 05:55)
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2006-08-30 08:06
Chris - not Clement but Clemens...
http://www.clemens-wurlitzer-klarinetten.de/
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If there are so many people on this board unwilling or unable to have a civil and balanced discussion about important issues, then I shan't bother to post here any more.
To the great relief of many of you, no doubt.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-08-30 11:20
Clemens doesn't fit into the F. or H. Wurlitzer equation at all either in lineage or quality of product. Leister has (at least at one time) given his full endorsement to the Yamaha Oehlers but this may have had more to do with a squabble he had with the H. Wurlitzer family.
I would take a Hammershmidt over a C. Wurlitzer any day of the week.
............Paul Aviles
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Author: Bradley Lee
Date: 2014-11-17 03:01
I just bought a Leduce for $25.00 at a place that sells only items they collect at the city dump. I bought it because the wood looked really good. After doing some work on it I found the pitch as well as the keywork to be better than either one of my Selmer Balance Tone clarinets. The Selmer are more open sounding but less focused. It appears to be a French company given it has France written on the name label but on the back side it is stamped Germany. Nice instrument for $25.00 and it came with a protect case which I prefer. The low end speaks pretty good as well. I will probably start using it on my swing and early Blues gigs providing it passes the on mic stage performance test. I couldn't find any info on line to post. I'm guessing you ran into the same lack of results. I tried a number of different barrels also, and the original barrel seems to be pretty good.
Happy Hunting..that's all I got..
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