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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2013-09-21 22:38
It seems that they've been using this training method for athletes since the 1980's. It involves actions that are quick/jerky like jumping rope. They clap their hands during pushups. They hop on one foot. All these actions are very quick movements. Perhaps it works the fast twitch muscles?
Has anyone tried to transfer these techniques to tonguing. We might do 15 reps of two notes as quick as you can. with space of course between. Maybe do 3 sets with the last set being 3 very quick notes.
Any ideas. Are there fast twitch muscles in the tongue?
Freelance woodwind performer
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2013-09-22 01:37
I probably have fast twitch tongue muscles
The tongue is the strongest muscle in the body per square inch.
There are plenty of quick tonguing exercises - and air is a large part of rapid tonguing. I put up a video of rapid multiple (Stein method, but I was doing it before I knew my 1st teacher's teacher is credited for it).
It was 57 notes tongued in 2.8 seconds. G major scale exercise. Was screwing around, and had not practiced it but for a minute.
http://www.facebook.com/clarinetist is my page
Just uploaded it
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
Post Edited (2013-09-22 01:43)
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-09-22 02:16
The Stein method was swinging the tongue tip from side to side. He never mentioned it to me. What did I know? I was just a rising 10th grader. I've tried to do it but can't get it to work.
Ken Shaw
Post Edited (2013-09-22 02:16)
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2013-09-22 03:00
It's almost impossible to do if your tongue isn't coordinated that way.
Out of say 10,000 players, maybe 1 is, others aren't.
Never met a player who could also do it, but am sure they are out there. As hard as double tonguing may be, this is much more difficult - but way faster.
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: clarinetguy ★2017
Date: 2013-09-22 12:32
Interesting comments about the Stein method. I studied with him in college during his last two years at MSU (he retired in 1975). Stein was always trying new things, and in his last years at the university, he was encouraging a method of tonguing unlike anything I had heard before (or since).
It's hard to describe, but there is a bit of a "huh" or "pop" on every note, no matter how fast the notes go. Here's a link to a Nina Perlove flute video, and the procedure she describes is very close to what Stein was teaching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EwijShN6e0
I contacted David Pino a few years ago and we exchanged emails (great guy!),
figuring that he might know more about this because he studied with Stein for so many years. It was unfamiliar to him, so I'm guessing Stein must have come up with it in the late 60s or early 70s.
Stein never once mentioned this side to side method to me, but others told me that he was impressed by a student who could tongue very quickly using this technique. At the time, Stein was working on a new book, and others told me that side to side was going to be included.
After Stein retired, he moved to Arizona and died five or six years later. He didn't finish the book, and I've never been able to find out what happened to the manuscript.
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2013-09-22 16:34
In the Canadian Musician magazine there is a recent woodwind article. The author prescribes moving the tongue above the reed and then coming back down. This is for saxophone. I assume he can do it. Like all techniques it will have it's own quality of attack. It's not going to sound like fast single.
My original post deals with the tongue itself not the technique. .
How can we exercise he tongue? ...... Work the fast twitch muscles. It seems the tongue is mostly fast twitch muscles.
Freelance woodwind performer
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2013-09-22 16:37
My student who won 2nd in the 2012 ICA Orchestral Audition Competition (was youngest Finalist by 6 years) double tongues like that. Fobes has an article titled "synthetic speed tonguing" that I shared with him in 10th grade. Works well for him.
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