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Author: Dino
Date: 2013-08-21 16:02
Does anyone know if any of the US Yamaha dealers have CSG III models available?
Thanks.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2013-08-21 17:42
Well, what I did to try a CSG-I was to approach a dealer in the Atlanta area (didn't even keep pro Yamaha clarinets on hand) and asked him to bring one in to try on a trial basis. I fell in love with it and bought it on the spot. If I had not liked it, there was no obligation to buy (you might want to make sure they say that, but ANY Yamaha music dealer should be able to bring one in).
Point being, unless your in Manhattan, there probably won't be a store that will just have one on hand, so you'll have to do a little wheeling and dealing. Who knows, you might fall in love with it and buy it!
.............Paul Aviles
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Author: Dino
Date: 2013-08-21 19:41
My local dealer has CSG II and I like it better than my R-13. But CSG III has some additional improvements: little thicker barrel, differently shaped bell etc. I called Yamaha USA and was told that CSG III is probably not available on US market.
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Author: rtaylor
Date: 2013-08-21 19:42
I had the same experience as Paul. I contacted my local store who is a Yamaha dealer. They sent one instrument to the store on trial with no obligation. The store owner said that Yamaha is very particular about sending out instruments in this method.
Anyway, this seems to be the only method to try the CSG-II instruments unless you find an online retailer that has one to send out.
Groth Music in Minneapolis did have one CSG-II about three months ago that they were willing to sell you and then you could send it back for a refund as one example.
Robert
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Author: JamesOrlandoGarcia
Date: 2013-08-22 19:35
In the US, the CSGII is the CSGIII of Europe. They are the same clarinet. So you can have your local dealer order some CSGII's for you to try.
Order out of state and you don't have to pay sales tax!
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Author: Dino
Date: 2013-08-22 20:21
My local dealer has CSG II, and as I mentioned above, I tried it and like it very much. But I am not sure that it's the same instrument as CSG III.
Check this video about CSG III.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y_c0GFtwyk
I didn't find some of the features presented on the video on CSG II instrument that may local dealer has. For example, it does not have a small elevation around C/G hole and a sharp edge inside the bell but it does have E/F correction key. Not sure about the barrel thickness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y_c0GFtwyk
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Author: rtaylor
Date: 2013-08-22 21:04
One way to get a CSG-III is to order from Howarth of London. Their website lists the model along with the low e/f option which is a real nice feature. You may want to check if the CSG-III if it is pitched at A=440. You don't want to have a european pitched instrument A=442 or higher and constantly deal with
correcting and trying to lower your pitch.
I bought my R-13 from them and they offer incredible service and help.
Here is a link: http://www.howarth.uk.com/clarinets.html
Robert
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2013-08-24 18:27
Robert,
FYI we play at 440 in the UK so Howarth only sell instruments at that pitch.
Glad your a happy customer of them though. Been going there since is was 15.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2013-08-24 20:46
Peter,
You've made mention of the British pitch being A=440 once before. Could you tell us when this occurred? I recall that this was not the case in the 1980s, but that was eons ago for our younger "Boarders."
.................Paul Aviles
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Author: Dino
Date: 2013-08-24 21:09
James,
The clarinet in video presentation (CSG III) looks to me as a Bb, and that's why I think II and III are different instruments.
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Author: snilsson
Date: 2013-08-27 09:55
I recently got myself two Yamaha CSG clarinets. The A is a CSGII and the Bb is a CSGIII. Both are excellent instruments, but there are plenty of differences.
I find the CSGII to be quite similar to a Buffet RC, the main differences are that the intonation is spot on (except for the two bottom notes that are still noticeably flat), the evenness of resistance and quickness of response is considerable better than any Buffet clarinet I've ever played. The are no problems with undertoning in the upper clarion. You can play the Pines of Rome solo with no worries what so ever. The upper clarion C is not as "wild" as on a Buffet and I also find that there is much less of a bump between the clarion and the altissimo. It's also a very light instrument: 750g, a little bit less than many Bb clarinets. It's a pure pleasure to play this instrument.
The CSGIII could be considered a new type of instrument, as compared to a Buffet. Once again, the intonation is spot on. The instrument is so even that it will take you a while to get used to it. The C#/G# is almost on par with the surrounding notes. The C/G/E is much more stable than any clarinet I've tried before. Also, the low clarion B is surprisingly good. The bottom two notes (on the Bb) can easily be played in tune up to a moderate forte. Also, the upper clarion C (and corresponding lower F) can be played with a full air stream without sticking out. Once again, the evenness makes for nice, easy transitions to and from the altissimo.
The shape of some keys has been improved on the III, in particular, the register key is asymmetric. The left third finger hole has a chimney. The C#/G# hole is raised. The bell has a sharper edge. The barrels are somewhat thicker, but I found that it's possible to swap barrels between the A and Bb. The short barrels seem to have the effect that you can pull quite a bit before ruining the intonation of the throat notes. The III also came with more cork pads than the II.
I bought both instruments by mail, and there were no issues whatsoever with the setup or intonation.
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