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Author: efsf081
Date: 2013-06-24 12:57
I have just bought a Leblanc omega clarinet on ebay from 2011id2011. I find that the lower joint is not match to the upper joint.
Here is some information and photo of a leblanc omega clarinet I found:
http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=1527125&image=453266214&images=453266010,453266117,453266214,453266316,453266416,453266582,453266737,453266905,453267193&formats=0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0&format=0
http://www.bringemusic.com/omega%20clarinet.pdf
This is my clarinet ebay website:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321128727018?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_544wt_917
I debut that the lower joint is not match to the upper joint. Because,
1. I find a serial number at the end of lower joint. It is not clear but part of the number is 750c. And the serial number at the upper joint is D67876.
2.The thumb rest of a Leblanc omega should been a adjustablethumb rest. This one is a fixed thumb rest.
3. The spring of upper joint is Blue steel springs, but the springs of my lower joint is normal iron spring.
4. The upper joint and lower joint should have a circle iron badge, it is all missed.
The seller said that he has no idea about the serial number and he is not familiar to this model, so he can not sure is the lower joint matched.
Actually, my clarinet play fine, and I do not want to delve into this. But I find out that it is not the first time 2011id2011 sold a mixed clarinet.
He sold a Leblanc Cadenza clarinet before and the lower joint is exactly what I got.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clarinet-Leblanc-Cadenza-Backun-USA-Mouthpiece-Pomarico-/321080611609?nma=true&si=vZJLtoR1f%252B7Vbw9uzT2EzzN5iRg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557#ht_418wt_917
Compared to a photo of Leblanc Cadenza clarinet, every one can saw that this lower joint is strange.
This lower joint is lost of Logo, reinforced bar on Low E key and many adjustment screw.
I feel that though I can not sure is 2011id2011 try to disguise anything, but everyone should know what I find out.
Be careful when you buy clarinet on ebay.
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Author: GaryH
Date: 2013-06-24 18:21
Why would you buy a clarinet with a mismatched bell and barrel? It was an expensive lesson. I would demand a refund, and if he refuses I'd complain to ebay and Paypal. He mentions the bell and barrel, but I saw no mention of the bottom joint having a different serial number. That may be the key to you getting your money back. Paypal returned money to me on a screwy deal once when a seller didn't ship the item. Maybe since the description wasn't totally accurate you might have a leg to stand on.
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Author: pewd
Date: 2013-06-24 21:31
You can go to the (can't mention this site) resolution center, and file a SNAD dispute. Don't forget a delivery confirmation when shipping it back (signature confirmation required if over $ 750.00).
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: Matt.75
Date: 2013-06-25 05:42
We recently purchased an iPhone 4S on eBay that did not match it's description, and thanks to the PayPal buyer protection guarantee we received a full refund including postage.
If you paid for the item using PayPal, and the description does not match what you received, your best bet is to file a dispute, then escalate it to a claim. You will have to fill out a few forms about what the problem is, and within a reasonable amount of time, receive a full refund.
Without using PayPal it can be trickier, but there are laws that intend to protect buyers against this kind of fraudulence.
When on PayPal, click the "Resolution Centre" link, and there should be instructions on how to proceed with your claim. Otherwise, concact PayPal and let them know what's happened.
Good Luck :D
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2013-06-25 06:56
You should have no trouble getting a refund, as the item was described as a Leblanc Omega when it clearly isn't. Between PayPal and EBay it should be quite straightforward. Even if what you have is playable it is not going to be easily resellable if at some point you decide it's not for you. Best to deal with the matter now.
Tony F.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2013-06-25 15:50
I bought a pre-R13 Buffet on eBay that, when it arrived, turned out to have a Buffet upper joint and the rest "miscellaneous." The seller immediately took it back and refunded my payment, as any seller with a reputation to take care of will do.
If the seller balks, leave negative feedback and go immediately to eBay's dispute resolution service. eBay has a reputation to protect, too, and I've found them to be good about following up.
Ken Shaw
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Author: efsf081
Date: 2013-06-25 17:32
Thanks for all replies.
I buy this clarinet because it is cheap, just $380 and it come with a backun barrel and Vanderon mouthpiece. Now I learn a lesson.
I have filed a dispute and talking to the seller. Let's see what will happen.
I post this topic because I feel sad for the guest who bought the Leblanc cadenza clarinet. I don't think he/she has idea the clarinet is a mixed clarinet. It must been a terrible experience when he/she find it out someday.
Anyway, be careful when you shopping on eBay.
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2016-02-03 00:09
This seller, 2011id2011, does this all the time.
I have reported this repeatedly to Ebay but they don't care.
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2016-02-03 00:17
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He has a Russian name and lives in Portugal.
Although every listing is not fraudulent, he systematically sells professional upper joints with lower joints from student instruments.
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Author: Clarineteer
Date: 2016-02-03 00:27
Once years ago I bought an R13 on Ebay and a B10 arrived. Had to go get a statement from Hammer Woodwinds who is an authorized Buffet dealer and I received a full refund. No problem.
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Author: Wes
Date: 2016-02-03 01:11
"Try before buy" is often not possible. However, one must try to understand what is being offered for sale. I've bought many fine instruments without trying them and have not had any problems.
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Author: SarahC
Date: 2016-02-03 02:22
I have had hit and miss with ebay purchases. When you buy something, you need to be prepared that the money may be lost.
I only have once bought an expensive instrument on ebay (tom sparkes oboe), because in most cases the risk is higher than i can afford. Cheap instruments - i have sometimes struck it good, and sometimes not so good.
Actually i have had more luck at ebay than at pawn brokers. with regard to how many instruments i got that were good. Because you get someone selling something because they have upgraded.
I have bought flutes with pads advertised as "working order", and when i get it you can't get a sound out of it. But with a few pads replaced it is great. So still worth it.
I got a ridenour T-147 for 90$ and then spend about $80 servicing it, and now i have a beautiful student instrument for my son. However, after saying that, it was advertised as all pads in good condition -- and 2 were in such bad condition, that certain notes didn't work, and some of the mechanism was bent.. so the ad was dodgy. But despite that I don't want to return it.
I however got an armstrong flute for my other son that it won't be worth re-padding (unless I can figure out how to do it myself).
So as I said, it can be a bit hit and miss. But I would try and do the whole refund thing, and see how you go.
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Author: sax panther
Date: 2016-02-03 12:19
Hi
2011id2011 is his NEW user ID - I bought a selmer series 10 with exactly the same issue from him when he was trading under a different name - mismatched top and bottom joint, one of which wasn't even from a series 10 (I don't remember which joint).
I kept sending him messages with photos clearly showing the different serial numbers, but he just kept replying either with "photo isn't clear enough" (they were high res close up shots) or "serial numbers have rubbed away on clarinet" (they hadn't!)...this exchange of messages dragged out long enough for 45 days to elapse - after which you can't raise an ebay dispute. He knew what he was doing, and I'm wiser now (didn't help that shipping took a while, as he's in Portugal and I'm in UK).
I do sometimes see stuff come up in my saved searches and think hmmm, that could be a bargain - then when I see his user ID, I ignore it (after getting angry for a bit!)
It was cheap to start with, it actually played quite well and I sold it again a few years later (being completely honest about the fact it was a mismash of different parts in my advert) for roughtly the same price, so I didn't really lose out.
I'd urge you all to stay away from this guy.
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Author: Clarineteer
Date: 2016-02-03 15:10
FYI Recent changes in Ebay rules has extended return window from 45 to 90 days.
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Author: SarahC
Date: 2016-02-03 15:26
Thanks for this thread. I became curious to see the one you bought.. and well.. all the pictures have been removed from the listing. But i also noticed that one of his clarinets is saved in my watch list! Well, i know not to consider that one now!
Thanks
:)
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Author: sax panther
Date: 2016-02-03 17:13
"It's simple. Do not buy from the internet"
Disagree. You're taking yourself out of the market for thousands of potentially great instruments that you might enjoy. You can have great experiences buying from the internet. I got a lovely 1973 R13 for less than £400 which has a wonderful tone....whether it's with the stock barrel, or with the chadash one I bought for £28 from a nice, honest, communicative guy in Australia..works well with the Grabner K11* I picked up for £51....I have loads of examples of good experiences which far outweigh my one bad experience with user 2011ID2011!
All I would say is 1)ask for more pictures if the seller hasn't provided many of decent quality, 2)familiarise yourself with the returns/disputes/protection policy of ebay (or whatever auction/2nd hand site you're using), and 3) never pay more than you think you could get back if you wanted to sell it straight away.
Clarineteer - that's useful to know re the extension of the returns policy. Makes a lot of sense for people that are having stuff slowly shipped from the other side of the world!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2016-02-03 17:21
I just bought this Selmer BT from him last week which arrived today:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321984684529?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
I knew from the photos exactly what I was expecting - an N-series Selmer BT with a Series 9 bell and that's what arrived. So no surprises for me there.
For me it's not a problem as I have a spare CT bell that I can swap with it and use the Series 9 bell on my Series 9 A clarinet. The barrel is the correct length (66.5-67mm) and for £275 it was too good to pass up on.
While it has been repadded, I will be stripping it down and rebuilding it as a matter of course which is what I do on all used clarinets I buy anyway. I will be using this as a loaner clarinet for players who need a clarinet to use while I'm working on theirs.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2016-02-03 18:05
The stories of transactions gone bad exists contemporaneously with animal's (humans--even monkeys) abilities to exchange good and services.
Here's monkeys who have, quite literally, learned to steal human's possession to ransom them for food--no joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1MyVUze8M
Transactions are subject to risk and reward. The hope is that with risk, the buyer gets a better sale price, ultimately finding an honest seller for which trepidation turned out unwarranted after the fact, and a product worth more to them than the asset (money) they parted with to acquire it.
The internet, ebay, or even a specific ebay seller--or for that matter a brick and motar music stores are neither good or bad. All mediums for commerce have their crooks and legitimate sales professionals just looking to not be ripped off by us, the buyers. Transaction with Sam Ash, for example, over the internet, especially when purchasing highly commoditized goods, such as a new Vandoren Klassik Bb clarinet ligature and leather cap, (LC31L) present minimal risk at fair (but not great) market value. Walk into the store to effect the sale and reduce risk even more: getting to examine product prior to purchase, even if it comes at just the higher price of your time and effort, if not purchase as well.
Online commerce has its place. There are tens of 1000s of different prescriptions, for example, for contact lenses even for 1 brand. A wearhouse near Memphis, (a big FedEx hub) where real estate is relatively cheap has them all to ship to you overnight. Your eye care professional can't afford the space on Main St to stock every prescription.
All we can do is judge our own tolerance to risk and desire for savings and roll the dice. For all of ebay's (or any vendor's) policies on return, and their feedback system, our need to return product, even on its best day, is a drag.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2016-02-03 19:45
So far I've been lucky with my eBay purchases as pretty much all my clarinets have been eBay ones.
But that's not to say it's all been good as I stupidly paid £400 to an Italian seller who went off the radar and the Selmer Recital they listed (using stolen photos) never materialised. I unfortunately paid them through Western Union instead of PayPal, so never likely to get that £400 back.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: dubrosa22
Date: 2016-02-03 22:23
I've had 99% positive experiences on eBay and elsewhere (Gumtree, private ads, saxontheweb). In fact all excellent deals overall.
I notice there lots of Australians popping up here in defense of the internet. That's because the retail and used woodwind market here is small and very overpriced.
Student Buffets and Yamahas are reasonably priced but everything else is grossly marked up.
So it's tempting for we Australians to hit the internet instead and find a good online deal. There are lots of them to be found, especially if you avoid the obvious dodgey ads/sellers and are prepared for a little pad reseating, corking, etc. on used and vintage horns.
I do try and keep my buying local though.
I do have rules: Be absolutely thorough in scrutiny and research of any and all items. Ask for more/better photos. Ask questions. Ask for a return policy (I've never had to use one, but this scares off the dodgey sellers)
In the end most of my very best buys were actually from people who don't play, have limited computer facilities and also zero woodwind knowledge. So in the end it was pure trust and faith that the horn they were describing was worth the punt. Risky but rewarding!
V
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2016-02-03 22:52
saxpanther wrote: "Disagree. You're taking yourself out of the market for thousands of potentially great instruments that you might enjoy."
Fully agree!
Saying no to Ebay instruments is like saying no to stocks and thereby making your loss (after inflation) secure.
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Author: MarlboroughMan
Date: 2016-02-03 22:57
You have to know what you want, and know how to read the red flags. Except for the reed I'm playing tonight, all of the equipment I'll use at my gig was bought off eBay. My regular horn, my mouthpieces, my ligatures...and my backup horn was bought over the internet as well.
Eric
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The Jazz Clarinet
http://thejazzclarinet.blogspot.com/
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2016-02-03 23:03
Chris P wrote: "I just bought this Selmer BT from him last week which arrived today... I knew from the photos exactly what I was expecting"
I also bought a good instrument from this seller, a Leblanc Concerto I Bb. But the Concerto II that he co-shipped had a student lower joint and was a clear case of counterfeit. He accepted the return due to erroneous description but never reimbursed the return shipping.
The guidance you get for returns from Ebay and Paypal is worthless. I have been "warned" several times for using abusive language in my communication with their customer service. I don't regret a word. It is a part of their scheme for optimizing profits to stop users from using the protection they charge fees for. They could have informed about the various options but they don't.
Tip: For an Ebay transaction, if the seller hasn't sent you money for the return shipping, you can log in to your Paypal account and demand reimbursement for your return shipping costs. There is a maximum amount, but at least it is something.
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Author: Clarineteer
Date: 2016-02-04 12:52
There are also dishonest buyers on Ebay as well as sellers. Buyers will lie about an item to hide buyers remorse or if they find something that they like better or might be less expense to initiate an invalid return after they received the item.
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2016-02-04 18:13
I've generally had good experiences with EBay purchases. If you know what you want and do your research/homework you can minimise the risk. Don't hesitate to ask for more or better pictures, more information, whatever.
You can build up a pretty good idea of the state of what you're looking at. Sometimes it's just a matter of knowing precisely what you're looking at. I bought a B & H 926 Imperial that was advertised as an old Japanese clarinet for $30. It needed a lot of TLC but it's my favourite horn now.
I have been caught out, but only because I didn't do my homework or took a chance on something being what it wasn't.. My fault, my risk.
Tony F.
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Author: LJBraaten
Date: 2016-02-06 22:19
I have bought a lot of stuff on eBay, musical instruments and accessories, and other gear. I usually have great luck. I have made it a rule not to buy unless there are multiple and clear photos of everything, or I double check with the seller if I have any doubts about the listing. In the case of Clarinets, I want photos clearly showing the serial numbers of both joints. I have found that reputable sellers try to cover all their basis, and will disclose and display multiple pictures which include even the most minor blemishes.
Others, particularly the inexperienced, are just careless and think they are selling a particular item when they are not. If they are unwilling to answer some very specific questions, or post additional photos, I avoid them.
Laurie
(Mr. Laurie J Braaten)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2016-04-08 01:53
I just got this Selmer CT delivered today which is only three days after I bought it, so that was much earlier than I expected which was a nice surprise:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322055021317?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
It has a BT bell which I wanted anyway as I've swapped that with the CT bell I put with the BT I bought from the same seller not so long ago (which came with a Series 9 bell which I put with my Series 9 A clarinet).
From the photos I already gathered the bell was a BT bell and had some repair work done to it, so I've carbon fibre banded it in three places to give it strength (just below the socket ring and above and below the logo).
The grenadilla the top joint is made from is very pale - looks almost like rosewood, but it's much darker on the underside. It has the hexagonal and large diameter thread speaker bush but doesn't say "Centered Tone" on the top joint, so a bit strange that. The serial numbers are matching on both joints, so no cause for concern there.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: jcm499
Date: 2016-04-08 07:56
Chris, I may be mistaken but I believe "Centered Tone" was only stamped on clarinets made for the export market. Centered tones intended for the domestic market don't have the information about Selmer USA Elkhart/New-York being the sole distributor for the US and Canada on the bell either.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2016-04-08 22:24
I've bought zillions of instruments on eVilBay and sold some (a far lesser number), but to give you a bit of the seller's perspective, here's a bad experience I had: My one non-positive feedback (neutral) was from an older fellow who bought a restored Selmer Centered Tone clarinet from me. I believe I had done a nice overhaul of the instrument and it certainly played well.
During the course of the auction the eventual buyer asked me quite a few questions, all of which I answered in detail. A couple of weeks after he 'won' the auction he demanded a refund, because he claimed it was a 'small-bore' CT and not the 'large-bore' CT he wanted. First of all, I wasn't even aware that the CT came in two different bore sizes; secondly, he had never asked me to measure the bore in the nearly dozen questions he had asked prior to the sale.
I refused to refund his money; my rationale was that the instrument was exactly as advertised and depicted (it was), and that I had willingly and completely answered all the questions he HAD asked prior to the sale. Nevertheless he gave me bad feedback.
Not trying to defend the seller in question in this thread, nor any other, just pointing out that the customer is not always right.
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Author: jcm499
Date: 2016-04-08 23:06
I think the Centered Tone upper joint changed from cylindrical to tapered around 1955, so that might have been what he was talking about. It wasn’t “smaller” though.
I did once see an ad for a “golden era R-13” that was obviously a Bundy in an old Buffet pochette case with the “sweetest clarinet ever made” ribbon. The seller claimed in the listing that he knew nothing about clarinets, though he apparently knew enough to call it an R-13 from the “golden era.” I guess he checked the Bundy serial number against a Buffet list and got a manufacturing year of 1966. It was offered at $1,600! I sent the seller a message with the correct information, and to his credit, he changed the description and knocked a zero off the price. I mean, the horn did say "Bundy" on it in huge gold letters. . .
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2016-04-08 23:24
A lot of eBay sellers and other classified ad sellers often with little or no knowledge will list clarinets based on what name is on the mouthpiece or the case if the clarinet has nothing on it to go on. They may even go on the mouthpiece cap or ligature if they're stamped with a name, so sometimes things are a bit tenuous to say the least.
So you may get a B&H Edgware as some of them weren't stamped (but still had the serial number on them) or a Bundy/Buescher where the logo transfer has rubbed off, or a B&H Regent II which is essentially a Buffet B12. Also the Schreiber built E11s where the logos were printed on and wore off as well as B12s and B10s.
Most student level clarinets will come with their original cases and mouthpieces, but neither case nor mouthpiece is a defining factor as to what the instrument is if it carries a name or logo. So a good detailed look at the instrument is the best means of identifying it if you know what you're looking for.
Sometimes the case or mouthpiece is worth more than the clarinet provided they're in good condition.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2016-04-10 21:03
The seller mentioned in this thread, 2011id2011, keeps mixing professional instrument parts with student instrument parts all the time. They are sold under the professional name.
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Author: BartHx
Date: 2016-04-11 04:21
I have had no problem purchasing a clarinet on that auction site. However, since I am particularly interested in older instruments (eg. Selmer Series 9 and before) I suspect I am less likely to run into someone trying to run a scam. Clarinets are a serious hobby for me and not in any way a profession. I buy for myself and occasionally to donate to a local school. I have had success with the following approach:
1. Regardless of what the seller says about the condition of pads and corks, I assume that I will need to replace them all and set my limit accordingly (I do my own repair work).
2. If I expect the price to go high or if there is anything that feels the least bit off about a listing, I will ask for a photo of a particular feature. If they are using fake photos, it is highly unlikely they will have that particular one in reserve. As an alternative, I will ask for the serial numbers from both the upper and lower joints "so that I can verify the age". Whatever their response to that, I then have a statement directly from the seller if it turns out to be a mismatch. If they do not respond, I take it as verification that there is something wrong.
3. If it is a model with which I am not particularly familiar, I look for photos from other sources with which I can compare.
4. Before I place any bid, I decide on my upper limit and do not go past that even just a little bit. If someone else wants it more than I do, they can have it. I already have enough to play for now. I have my main player and my backup in my gig bag and, if that is not enough, I have a bunch of backups to my backup if I need them. With appropriate routine maintenance on my main player, I have yet to need my backup for anything other than a loner to someone else with whom I am playing who has tried to cut corners on maintenance.
Living in the mountains, buying on line is sometimes the only option. I have had occasion where someone asked me to replace just one pad. It happened to be a size that I was out of in my repair kit. They needed the repair done as soon as possible, so I went to the one music store that is less than a two hour drive from us to buy the pad. That pad cost ten times what it would have cost if I had had the time to restock the identical pad on line. Because of our location, we do a large percentage of our purchases (other than food) on line. We try to always use PayPal. When we were wiped out by a recent forest fire, I went to PayPal and had full documentation of nearly all of our on line purchases since PayPal started in business. The insurance company hasn't questioned any of them.
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Author: Gouffre
Date: 2016-04-11 09:52
Thanks for the bump. I had 2011id2011 on my watchlist because he's the only one located in Europe who regularly has bass clarinets available, though I ended up buying one from across the pond.
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2016-04-11 10:24
Silversorcerer, I think the guy buys wrecked clarinets or parts and then complements with cheap spare parts.
Ebay won't do a thing since they earn money from his activity. I have seen instruments reappear on his page, so he is also active as buyer.
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Author: WhitePlainsDave
Date: 2016-04-11 22:18
Only because this angle hasn't seem to come up here, I have found it to be effective as a buyer, to establish relationships over time with ebay sellers.
With a previously good reputation, I've bought smaller stuff from them successfully, got to know more about them, purchased then large items from them, and even contacted them to ask them to put up an auction for something I seek (or they me for something they wish to sell.)
While I don't violate ebay rules, I've come to know sellers by address, phone number, and personal email, and they me. Years of transactional history between us suggests it being unlikely that they are either fly by night, or won't stand behind product.
(This is expressly not an offer to sell or buy, or catalyze sales on this portion of the bboard.)
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Author: Johan H Nilsson
Date: 2017-03-21 03:28
The Concerto II upper joint with serial 82628 combined with a student instrument lower joint is on Craigs now:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/msg/6048641166.html
Since Leblanc's student lower joints were 2 mm shorter than their pro instruments (not to mention the bore size), this instrument tunes like hell.
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Author: Novalis2020
Date: 2020-06-07 04:19
Hello,
I'm new here on the woodwind.org clarinet forum. i found this LeBlanc Omega clarinet, and this one has the "LeBlanc France" round emblem on the lower and upper joints. The seller told me he is a professional repairman.
I got an offer to buy it for $420. Now I have no idea about LeBlanc clarinets, except what I've been reading about them online. Especially regarding LeBlanc Omega wood clarinets I haven't been able to gather much from the Internet, but other LeBlanc clarinets (Normandy, Noblet 40 or 45s) there is much more information about those LeBlanc clarinets. So, my question is, do you know how the LeBlanc Omega compares to a Noblet 45 or Noblet "Artist" 45 model?
On eBay there are Noblet 45s being auctioned or sold for way less than $420. And I already bought a high end Selmer clarinet because I've always played on Selmer clarinets.
The seller's id isn't what you posted here earlier by the way. Thank you !
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Author: seabreeze
Date: 2020-06-07 05:51
This is the first I've heard of an Omega model clarinet in the LeBlanc line, but now that I looked, I do see two of them on the famous auction site. You always have to be careful of counterfeits. I'd try to confirm these (by name and serial number) with the LeBlanc company (now a part of Selmer USA, I believe.) There were Selmer Omegas made in the 1950s. There appears to have been at least two different Selmer Omegas, one produced in the US and the other, generally thought to be the better clarinet, in France. There was an expensive Omega model that offered a double register key mechanism to produce a clearer throat Bb and a more in tune upper register. If you use the "Search" function here (near the top of the page) you can find out more about the Selmer Omega instruments from old postings. I see no mention of a LeBlanc Omega clarinet.
LeBlanc did have about 20 different models of soprano Bb and A clarinet throughout the years including the Classic, Symphonie I, II, and III, Dynamic, Dynamic H, Big Easy, Pete Fountain, Esprit, Spirit, LL, LX (L7, L20, L200, L300, L2000), Ambiance, Infinite, Concerto, Opus, Legacy, Sonata, Bliss, Soloist, Rhapsodie, Cadenza, and Serenade. Dedicated, life-long fans of LeBlanc will be able to add still more.
The Noblet and Normandy brands were the lower priced student-oriented models. The VSP was thought to be a good choice in that price range. They may have been marked with the Vito brand.
Post Edited (2020-06-07 21:04)
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Author: Djudy
Date: 2020-06-07 17:21
I have purchased almost all my clarinets (I'm fond of the vintage ones) on that infernal auction place or a national level general used goods site, because there is essentially no market for such stuff where I live. Most of my purchases are modest and I have acquired several wonderful pieces that have significantly contributed to developing good "horse sense" about the instrument and my sound/instrument intonnation.
I have had to return a small number of items (instruments or accessories) but have always used Paypal and never had any problems getting a refund or resolution of the problem (exchange). In every case however the seller played dumb ("Geeh whiz, I didn't realize that was not as described!" Duh!). But they were not disagreeable either and did resolve the problem. I acted quickly with thorough documentation and used the standard complaint procedures. So no money lost but a waste of time and breath.
One was an instrument with a mismatched UJ from this same seller 2011id2011 and it was obviously rigged to deceive an unwary buyer and not obvious from the photos - the logo had be retouched (purchase refunded promptly and shipping compensated); however I had also purchased two S1 from him that are just outstanding players (that's why I bought a second one!). So while he's obviously doing some 'imaginative' restoration with these chimera instruments, he also seems to know a lot about clarinets. I still look at his offers because he does have some good finds but I've learned to read between the lines with a greater attention to the little details.
So Caveat Emptor ! Still, were it not for that infernal auction site I would probably still be playing a mediocre student model without much motivation. Is it the thrill of the chase of the sound or the bit of history or the bling (my metal Pedler is TDF !!) or the good buy? Probably a bit of all. Once a horse trader, always a horse trader.
Post Edited (2020-06-08 18:30)
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