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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2013-04-23 07:37
On 26/4(a few days from now) I am going to perform a classic Klezmer
song "Ale Brider". Though the performance was rescheduled so much earlier
(without prior notice) that cannot buy a good klezmer mouthpiece/reed
setup. But still, I'd like to ask what reeds and mouthpiece(wide or narrow opening) can bring out the
eccentric klezmer sound and character?
Josh
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Author: donald
Date: 2013-04-23 08:12
It's not about one or other type of mouthpiece/reed, it's about HOW you blow/voice the notes. I have heard great soloists and recording artists play Brahms, Jazz, and East European folk music on the same clarinet/mouthpiece/reed and sound appropriate for each style. Just yesterday I was performing The Messiah with a pro orchestra (the Mozart orchestration that includes clarinets)... during the 1st interval i was fooling around trying reeds etc, playing Baby Elephant walk, then for some colleagues totally hammed up the Rhapsody in Blue solo (lots of Jazz inflection) then did a "wah wah wah waaaaaahhhhh" using vibrato and bending the sound like crazy.
Then i went and played with the orchestra.
It's about HOW YOU BLOW, not the mouthpiece.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2013-04-23 17:18
You need to immediately buy an Albert system Kleuny Klezmerphone Klarinet and a Klinger Klezmerreed, or you won't be able to get out a single note. Just ignore that dude from New Zealand, he has no idea what he's talking about ![[tongue]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie6.gif)
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2013-04-23 17:22
You forgot to mention that the clarinet has to be in the key of C. Or is that the only key Kleunys come in?
As far as the dude from New Zealand is concerned, it probably comes from spending most of his life upside down. ![[toast]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley15.gif)
Best regards,
jnk
Post Edited (2013-04-23 17:24)
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2013-04-23 17:29
Oh yes, and, as with all "special" groups, you need some sort of silly hat, and a stage name to add some street credibility.
Seriously - you'll sound like you (within limits) whatever setup you use. So play what you're most comfortable on and be considerate with ornamentations unless you can nail them.
You may want to err to the side of a more open mouthpiece and softer reed, but that's a mere suggestion.
--
Ben
Post Edited (2019-05-04 21:41)
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Author: NBeaty
Date: 2013-04-23 17:43
Sorry Tictactux, reasonable suggestions have no place here it seems =)
The only difference necessary might be a lighter reed, making sure you have the flexibility to bend pitch and such. Trying another mouthpiece or two wouldn't be a bad idea, but keep in mind it needs to be comfortable (comfortable...comfortable...). If a different mouthpiece doesn't feel comofrtable, then it's probably not the choice you want. A softer reed on a mouthpiece you're currently using should give you what you need and be predictable.
"Jazz needs an open mouthpiece". Not a requirement by any stretch. Eddie daniels played (I'm not sure what he's played the last year or so) a zinner with a 0.95mm tip.
I've played on Artie Shaw's mouthpiece. It was a 1.20mm tip, but with a very long facing. It's about as open as anyone needs to go.
Julian Bliss, who runs his own jazz sextet, just goes down a half strength when he's doing jazz.
A friend of mine, who played lead Tenor in the 1 O'Clock lab band for the entirety of his undergraduate also doubles on clarinet. His Tenor mouthpiece is 3.00mm (definitely open!) but his clarinet mouthpieces are all below 1.10mm.
All this to say, all the "larger tip for jazz" isn't at all a necessity.
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Author: NBeaty
Date: 2013-04-23 17:44
*Klezmer requiring much flexibility, like jazz players.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2013-04-23 20:41
"reasonable suggestions have no place here it seems =)"
One can always hope, despite all odds, that knowledgeable advice will turn up now and again.
But seriously, kosher cork grease couldn't hurt.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: HANGARDUDE
Date: 2013-04-24 02:56
Thanks for your replies. Of course I can't get a C clarinet(though I'll get it one day) that quick, and I don't have enough money for a mouthpiece right now. However, I do have softer reeds. Well, I'd like to ask is there any Vandoren mouthpiece that can gve the klezmer sound? Vandoren mouthpieces are most of the stuff available here in Hong Kong.
Josh
Post Edited (2013-04-24 15:31)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2013-04-24 06:12
Klezmer is Hebrew for Instrument (Kle) and Singing (best way I can think of to translate Zmer) so you don't even need a mouthpiece, just sing into the clarinet
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2013-04-27 15:16
Look at BB sponsor Vytas Krass's webpage. He has some options.
Freelance woodwind performer
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Author: Jim Harper ★2017
Date: 2013-04-27 16:05
I've been in a klezmer band the past 14 years and have tried several mouthpieces and instruments. For some time now I've been using a Pomarico Jazz ** and an Arioso C clarinet. I carry along a Vandoren 5JB for a back up (I chipped the tip of my previous Pomarico and now respect how vulnerable crystal mouthpieces are).
The Jazz ** is ridiculously open. This has serious advantages and disadvantages for me. I can bend notes further than on my "regular" mouthpieces and can play much louder. As I'm almost always miced the extra volume just allows for a greater dynamic range. The primary downsides are intonation issues and inability to play the higher altissimo notes with any kind of quality. I have to give up some upper notes and have to keep up long tone practice with a tuner!
I can certainly play klezmer on my regular mouthpieces, but I find a significant extra freedom to bend notes further on the open mouthpieces. I just find it more fun to play klezmer on them!
I alternate often between the C horn with open mouthpieces and my Bb R13 with my more closed mouthpiece when practicing daily long tones, scales and such.
Jim Harper
Meshugga Klezmer Band
Little Rock, AR
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