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Author: ttay1122
Date: 2013-01-29 02:44
Last night at 3am, I was bored on Craigslist strolling for instruments for no reason. I came across an R13 from 1973. The person was only looking for $150... Needless to say, I was too excited about it to get a decent nights sleep. But I can say that today I came home with a Buffet from the "Golden Era" for a very good price. Now the question is, what to do with it... I could keep it, but I already love my Yamaha GSGH-II. Possibly resell and get what it's actually worth. I'm not sure the point of this thread, but I wanted to let everyone know. You never know what is lurking there on craigslist!
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Author: bbillings
Date: 2013-01-29 12:00
Funny, those are almost exactly the two instruments I'm struggling with which one to play and own! Curious if you've played them side by side and how they compare.
Brian
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2013-01-29 18:28
SUGGESTION:
Keep the new Buffet.
Send me the CSG II.
I'll make up the $150.
Thanks
Bob Phillips
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2013-01-29 18:54
I got lucky too recently. Acquired a 1950-ish Martin Freres "De Luxe Philharmonic" Bb clarinet for peanuts off That Auction Site, bid on it just because I've had a few good experiences in the past with Martin Freres clarinets from the standpoints of tone and quality of the wood -- and this one (after a thorough overhaul including some tonehole undercutting) didn't disappoint. In fact it exceeded my expectations, as the keywork is reasonably decent (typically a weakness of this brand, in my experience) and most importantly, the intonation (also not a Martin Freres strong point) is outstanding on this particular instrument. I think it sounds a heck of a lot like the better Buffet R-13s I've tried, for less than the cost of a new Buffet barrel.
Isn't it fun finding a bargain sometimes?
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Author: ttay1122
Date: 2013-01-30 05:13
I've played the two side by side, I can say I enjoy playing my CSG more, although the R13 is nice also. I'm caught between selling it to help fund the CSG A clarinet that I want to badly, or keeping the thing to probably only get played every once in a while. Suggestions?
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Author: bbillings
Date: 2013-01-30 11:41
Sounds like all you won was a consolation prize! If you truly prefer the CSG then I'd sell the Buffet for a profit and work toward the A clarinet. But that's me. Clarinets are made to be played, let someone else put it through its paces and enjoy it as much as you enjoy the CSG.
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Author: MarlboroughMan
Date: 2013-01-30 12:34
An "A" Clarinet??
Seriously???
Listen, Daddy-O, only squares and longhairs play on "A" clarinets.
(...or is it that only squares and longhairs play on Buffets?
...or Buffet "A" clarinets....?)
ah, whatever. It's been so long I can't remember.
;)
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Author: William
Date: 2013-01-30 14:38
"squares and long hairs".....LOL
Actually, I seem to remember reading that many of NO's early clarinetists preferred playing the A clarinet to the Bb. Fazio, for one.
Also, I curious what kind of mouthpiece came with the CL Buffet?
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Author: MarlboroughMan
Date: 2013-01-30 16:26
Hey William (aka "Fazio's Daddy-O")
Do you mean Irving Fazola? I've never heard of Fazio, or of NOLA players using A clarinets--though I'm sure it could have happened--did you mean Albert clarinets? "Faz" definitely played Albert system.
Eric
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Author: ttay1122
Date: 2013-01-30 23:58
William, it came with an older Vandoren B45, along with a LeBlanc Bonade ligature. The entire thing was just a great deal all the way around.
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Author: JamesOrlandoGarcia
Date: 2013-01-31 04:55
It is no secret on this board that I'm a huge CSG/CSGII fan. The A and Bb clarinets were so perfectly matched that I had a hard time telling which was which some times.
I much prefer the stable intonation, consistently dark focused sound, and quality of construction to that of the R-13. More so compared to a golden era one where though the sound and response were fantastic, intonation was always a gymnastics match.
I really hope more people catch on to the G series clarinets.
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Author: MarlboroughMan
Date: 2013-03-06 12:39
William,
You were right about the A clarinet in NOLA.
I just found this in the autobiography of Barney Bigard:
"[The] first time I heard Lorenzo Tio I was not disappointed at all. I heard him on parade playing his A clarinet. He knocked me out right from the start."
[p.13]
There weren't any players more important in NOLA at that time than Tio--he taught many of the first generation of jazz clarinetists to be recorded.
Thanks for the heads-up.
Eric
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Author: BartHx
Date: 2013-03-06 16:00
If you don't already have a backup instrument, I would suggest keeping both. I just overhauled a 1948 Buffet which a lady got in a shoe box at a garage sale when she was in fourth grade and wanted to start clarinet. It was in good condition at the time and, when she graduated high school, she immediately joined a couple of community bands. After 26 years of not having it serviced and adapting to its developing quirks, I finally got it out of her hands by loaning her one of my backups to play while I worked on her instrument. She had not had it serviced because she had nothing else to play while it was being worked on. You should have seen her face when I gave it back to her and she tried it out. She now needs to unlearn weird fingerings she developed to accommodate its quirks and it was the first time she had ever seen it with shiny keys. She was still smiling by the time she left our two hour rehearsal and I suspect every spare minute since has been spent practicing. Warm fuzzies!
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Author: alanporter
Date: 2013-03-06 18:16
"Prestige" brand clarinet in good condition. $30.............said an ad in my local classifieds. I quickly phoned and guaranteed my purchase sight unseen.
When I picked it up it turned out to be a plastic student grade instrument with the bell engraved "PRESTIGE" made in Czechoslovakia". From the key work I think it may be a Kholert.
At least it was in reasonable playing condition, and I plan on keeping it for when my granddaughter is old enough to take it up.
tiaroa@shaw.ca
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Author: salzo
Date: 2013-03-06 19:05
Many years ago I saw an advertisement for a $300 saxophone. I called the woman who listed it, said she did not know the brand, but was fairly certain it was an alto. So I went to check it out, and low and behold, itis a Selmer Mark 6 with a low A. It was her husbands horn, he recently passed away. THere was a devil on one shoulder fighting with an angel on the other- the angel won. I told the widow the horn is worth a lot more than $300. I was hoping she would say something like "Gee, I just want to get rid of it so you can have it for $300- she didn say anything like that. She said she appreciated my honesty. I left without the sax. I went in my car and started hitting myself. THat was the last time I made that mistake. I dont give a crap what the situation is- I find a deal like that I am taking it.
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