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Author: KTJ78
Date: 2012-10-16 23:43
First of all, I know this topic has been discussed before, but it seems the discussions are years old, and I am looking for current going prices.
I am looking into buying a used E11 Buffet in A. Opinions about E11s run from "ok student horn" to "great semi-pro horn, if you have the right upgrades".
What I would like to know is what this community thinks would be a fair selling price for a 10 year old E11 in A, in good condition (but could use a run to the shop for minor tweaks), without its own case.
I have my own opinions of course, but I would appreciate a few more from people who have some experience.
Thank you!
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Author: DaveKessler
Date: 2012-10-17 00:49
Thats a rather tricky one to nail down as there are many "if" scenarios.
Considering that new, they go for no more than $1,679.00...
IF the pads have been recently replaced OR sythetic or cork pads were installed sometime in its history, I would say between $850 - $1100 in good condition.
IF the pads are original then regardless of how good the condition, it will need to be repadded as the original E11 pads simply do not last that long... so you have $150 - $300 repair cost so $500 - $750 would be fair value.
If it has been cracked, then depending on the repair, $250 - $350 max value.
On eBay, they have been selling used around $400 - $800
Obviously, any used clarinet is only worth what someone is willing to pay. So if you dont feel comfortable with the sale price, dont buy it. Keep your eye out on eBay.
I definitely fall in the category of these are a good clarinet when paired with the right pads, barrel, mouthpiece and bell. The more you upgrade it, the better it becomes.
Dave Kessler
Kessler & Sons Music
http://www.kesslermusic.com
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Author: KTJ78
Date: 2012-10-17 01:25
Thanks Dave - I am aware of your expertise on E11s and truly value your opinion.
No cracks. The instrument has not been overhauled or repadded in recent history. I have also been told that one or two felt pieces need to be replaced.
The seller is a recent sax major college grad, selling the horn for extra cash, so I don't want to rip him off. However, he originally asked $900 and I think that is high.
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2012-10-17 03:06
$900 is way too high. Think $500-650, especially as you need a case as well. After a service and repad, you'll still be looking at a $750-900 horn.
Tony F.
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2012-10-17 21:47
Unless you really love the horn (like any Buffet --or other), it is worth exactly $0.
Settling for a bad horn is the first step toward buying the $7,000 clarinet and not having a Tosca when you're done.
Bob Phillips
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Author: gwie
Date: 2012-10-17 23:43
I recently purchased two brand new E-11 A clarinets for advanced junior high aged clarinet students. After pairing them up with a "studio" quality Backun barrel to improve their feel, they were still a bargain in the $1500-$1700 price range. Consider that a new R-13 A can easily top $3500!
While I think a used E-11 Bb in good condition could go for $500-$600, that is far too low for an A clarinet of the same. I'd offer $800 at least!
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Author: Candide
Date: 2012-10-18 00:41
Hmm sorry, but no. An A E11 that is
A) 10 years old
B) In need of a repad job and
C) Missing a case
is in no way worth $800. I would have to agree with all the other folks on this thread that the $550 - $650 range sounds fair to both parties here.
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Author: KTJ78
Date: 2012-10-19 05:05
Thanks again everyone for your input. Just as an update, I got the horn for $600.
I have a 66mm backun barrel that I like, but will probably get another for the A. I will also probably put another $250 or so into it with a decent repad/adjustment job to get it up to speed. Should work out great.
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Author: Clarineteer
Date: 2012-10-19 06:08
The interesting thing about this thread is the fact that a dealer put a very high price on the instrument that you purchased which was really a lot more than it is truly worth.
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Author: KTJ78
Date: 2012-10-19 07:11
Correct, hence the thread to help determine a more appropriate price.
I don't think the seller did much research before posting it, and ultimately he was happy to sell it at $600.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2012-10-20 03:37
"The interesting thing about this thread is the fact that a dealer put a very high price on the instrument that you purchased which was really a lot more than it is truly worth."
What are you talking about. Only one dealer responded here. For the condition described, he said,"$500 - $750." I'd say he nailed it.
jnk
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2012-10-23 13:49
You already bought yours at what I would consider a good avg price of $600
I've recently bought E-11 A's from $450 to $750
The $450 model was an older nickel plated model - 375xxx sn range - craigslist local purchase - I considered this below it's actual value, thus a good deal.
and the $750 model was a 1996ish with silver plated keys in the 1,380,xxx via that online auction place.
both had cases. the 1996 model was in perfect new condition. The earlier one is in very good condition.
Thus you paid a good price for it. I don't see the E-11 A come up for sale very often, not like their Bb version which is on that auction site all the time.
So I consider Kessler's numbers right on. His 800-1100ish numbers - also remember if a shop does that work they may guarantee certain workmanship which is something you don't get much from that auction site.
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Stephen Sklar
My YouTube Channel of Clarinet Information
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Author: CuriousClarinet
Date: 2012-10-24 05:32
Just on the topic of E11 A's, I've owned a German E11 A for about two years now, I've played the mozart concerto on it and regularly use it in my university's orchestra. It might not be quite up to par with the R13, but given the price difference I'm very happy with my E11. It holds it's own quite well, I've never had anyone complain about the E11, I've asked my two private instructors I've had over the time I've owned the A and they both were pleasantly surprised at how well it played. Just wanted to say, it might not be a Tosca but it's certainly not a 'bad horn'.
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Author: JamesOrlandoGarcia
Date: 2012-10-24 23:49
Considering the inconsistency of Buffet clarinets, I wouldn't be surprised if there are a good number of E11s that could out perform r13s.
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Author: pewd
Date: 2012-11-01 04:35
"nickel plated model - 375xxx sn range"
Are you sure thats an E11?
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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