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Author: JamesOrlandoGarcia
Date: 2012-08-21 20:38
I know there are a ton of posts on Robert Marcellus. I'm just always refreshingly surprised when I hear his recordings with the Cleveland Orchestra. It's like every time I hear him has that effect of hearing him for the very first time. That "wow" factor.
Point? His playing never gets old for me and I doubt it ever will. What a way to be a timeless musician.
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Author: JamesOrlandoGarcia
Date: 2012-08-23 18:29
Join Spotify, you can find a ton of Szell/Cleveland recordings. Then there are those recordings that certain people here on the BBoard have that need to share again.
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Author: eduardo94
Date: 2012-08-23 21:52
Thank you Ken, but i am looking for a free recording of the legendary Mozart clarinet concerto (Marcellus and Cleveland Orchestra)
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Author: Buster
Date: 2012-08-23 22:32
Eduardo,
If I could speak Portuguese I'd write in your native tongue, but I am limited to Spanish; con ganas to learn Portugese, I can send you 3 recordings of the Marcellus/Mozart Clarinet Concerto (live recordings) if you have DropBox.
Avisame si tienes,
-Jason
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2012-08-24 01:09
<Thank you Ken, but i am looking for a free recording of the legendary Mozart clarinet concerto (Marcellus and Cleveland Orchestra)>
I am enjoying that there are still some people in the world that appreciate the efficient reserve of great players like Mr Marcellus (one of my former teachers).
The understated beauty is an example of what truly great playing can be without shameless showmanship.
However, why should this be "free"?
Is it not worth paying something for?
The mindset of the younger generation is that this should be free.
When I was younger it was valued and we paid for this because it had value to us and was worth buying over something else we could have purchased. I remember saving money to purchase such recordings that I still treasure and listen to (on vinyl by the way!).
I think it is really a shameful sign of the times that such great art can be acquired for free rather than paid for and therefore not worthy of some sort of compensation to either the estate or the record company that owns the rights.
Call me old fashioned.
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Author: A Brady
Date: 2012-08-24 01:27
Bravo, Mr Gangolli. Indeed, if all art is expected to be obtained gratis, there will soon be no artists to create it. And I still have my treasured LP of the classic Marcellus/Szell Mozart recording, purchased for a fair market price at the time.
AB
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Author: JamesOrlandoGarcia
Date: 2012-08-24 03:10
When mentioned certain members sharing recordings, I mean those recordings that were recorded live and what not that were never marketed to the public. Whenever I hear those recordings of Marcellus, it's like finding lost episodes to a show you love that has since ended.
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Author: Buster
Date: 2012-08-24 03:24
And as reverential as we'd all like to be, there are those recordings that are out of print, or live broadcasts that have been archived...
I'd wager many students don't have the income to purchase those golden out-of-print records; let alone a suitable turntable to play them on.
As for the live recordings... well, where do I send my check?
I highly doubt Mr. Marcellus, Mr. Wright, Mr. Bonade, Mr. McLane, Mr. Walton, Maestro Szell, Maestro Furtwängler, Maestro Toscanini et. al. would have much use for their share of the dividends...
I do recall a former teacher, that was a member of the horn section under the Szell dictatorship, receiving a check for his share of the reissue of a Cleveland Orchestra recording.... my memory is a smidge fuzzy, but the total was around 40 cents give or take.
I also recall paying a small fee to view the paintings of van Gogh, Monet, Pollock, Picasso, Seurat, Toulouse-Lautrec etc... at several museums over the years. Did any of these deceased artists receive their fair share of my money?
At some time does a specific recording enter into an idealistic public-domain for, at the very least, study by a "student" of music?
As a published work eventually slides into such a gray-area, what is the time-line for a recording of the work of a true master such as Mozart?
-Jason
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Author: Buster
Date: 2012-08-24 04:24
MarlboroughMan wrote:
> Just checked Amazon. Would you believe there are copies of the
> "Great Performances" CD offered for over $100? Makes me think
> mine might go on the market soon.
Man, considering I have 4 or 5 CDs of that pressing I just made a small fortune!!!
I wonder what my old vinyl would fetch?
Get the Sony Classics edition if a better quality CD is desired.
-Jason
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Author: MarlboroughMan
Date: 2012-08-24 13:03
Dileep, I sympathize with your point. This is not really news, though...we've known this was coming ever since the late '90s, when record labels slashed their artists and stopped recording at the same rate, choosing to reissue instead (there were shock waves sent through the performance community, for example, when Sony dropped Wynton Marsalis). It was only a matter of time before those decisions and subsequent decisions would be felt on a more local and widespread level.
Most artists are forced to give away content for free these days...I've personally watched others make money off my own work, using the gray area of web sales to justify not paying me a royalty. Once, when I informed the publisher it was unethical, the reaction was a stone wall--either lawyer up or shut up, and how can a modest artist afford that sort of legal wrangle? So the cheating goes on. I believe it is very widespread.
I won't lose much sleep over an enthusiastic player wanting to get a free copy of an old masterpiece, any more than I'll worry about Project Gutenburg destroying publishers' corner on the paperback classics market. We've entered a new era, and there are new scams, new ways of cheating artists on many fronts.
Having said that, I would point out that there are things an enthusiastic player can do for living artists--if at all possible, buy from their personal websites. And remember, just because you pay for it doesn't mean the artist is getting anything...it often depends where you pay for it.
Eric
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The Jazz Clarinet
http://thejazzclarinet.blogspot.com/
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Author: MarlboroughMan
Date: 2012-08-24 13:14
PS. Another thing to consider is that we are going through a media shift, where producers are getting rid of their backstock. No one wants to warehouse CDs and LPs anymore, so they're generally selling for extremely low prices. Soon, it seems it will be pretty much all downloads: much easier for publishers of music, and much more profitable...but a disaster for record stores . Once again, though, this isn't news.
Eric
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The Jazz Clarinet
http://thejazzclarinet.blogspot.com/
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2012-08-24 15:14
Eric,
Indeed I agree with everything you have said. One cannot fight the sands of time or the march of "progress".
Unfortunately, recordings are a commodity these days and not a product that is paid for.
I agree that the best way is to purchase items through direct sales by the musician through their web sites or CD Baby.
Dileep
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Author: eduardo94
Date: 2012-08-24 21:20
Hey Jason (Buster), i send a mail for you (hastings.clarinet@gmail.com, is this your mail?).
Answer the mail please.
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