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 crazy fast tongue
Author: panther2 
Date:   2012-02-17 05:08

A Freshman music major at my school can SINGLE tongue 16th notes at 185 to the quarter. Is this normal?

John

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 Re: crazy fast tongue
Author: Trevor M 
Date:   2012-02-17 05:12

Video or it didn't happen. : )

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 Re: crazy fast tongue
Author: Bob Bernardo 
Date:   2012-02-17 05:57

crazy is right

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 Re: crazy fast tongue
Author: EEBaum 
Date:   2012-02-17 08:23

I've gotten close to that in short bursts, easier on bass due to large reed surface area. For me, takes a different technique than is typically taught... a combination of sweeping the tongue side-to-side, top to bottom, and generally making reed contact with any part of the tongue possible. I have the most success with that in times of moderate necessity-panic.

-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com

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 Re: crazy fast tongue
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2012-02-17 10:26

Now I'm sure we've ALL watched the Julian Bliss live Leblanc interview where he states that he single tongues EVERYTHING because he doesn't like the sound of double toguing. This IS crazy fast, but there are a few people who can do this (is it the presence of more 'fast twitch' muscles in their tongues?).

Is it common?

No.



............Paul Aviles



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 Re: crazy fast tongue
Author: Chris Hill 
Date:   2012-02-19 09:04

How many beats of 16ths?

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 Re: crazy fast tongue
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2012-02-19 23:26

Bliss was playing some arrangement of a Paganini piece and it sounded to me (no metronome on me when I listened) that he was tonguing sixteenth notes at around one quarter note = 180 beats per minute, perhaps a shade slower.


There is this guy who has the "Dragon Tongue" CD who also claims this fast single tonguing speed.


Really though, back in the 70's most principal clarinetists could not do this, did not double or triple tongue and they did fine. These days I'd guess (without really knowing with any certainty) that most orchestral players are double and triple tonguing just to keep up with the Joneses.




................Paul Aviles



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 Re: crazy fast tongue
Author: Lelia Loban 2017
Date:   2012-02-20 11:54

Paul Aviles wrote,
>>There is this guy who has the "Dragon Tongue" CD who also claims this fast single tonguing speed.
>>

Robert Spring is the clarinet player on the 1994 "Dragon's Tongue" CD (Summit Records, DCD 166). He's phenomenal and that's one of my favorite virtuoso showpiece CDs. His other CDs are excellent as well, imho. His 1999 CD, "Tarantelle" (Summit Records, DCD 238), is another of my favorites. I haven't timed Spring's tonguing, but the title of "Dragon's Tongue" is no empty boast, that's for sure -- and it's not a miracle of modern engineering, either, because I've heard him play that way live.

Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.

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