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Author: Bb R13 greenline
Date: 2012-01-16 16:54
Has anyone ever moved to a more closed mouthpiece than the one they are used to and found your airstream to be negatively affected? This happened to me one time when switching from a b45 to an m13 (which I realise are completly opposite sides of the spectrum) to the point where I could barely play louder than a mp on that mouthpiece. I recently switched from my b45 to an m30 which is closer to what I'm used to but I feel alittle bit of the feeling I get when I played the m13 so Im worried if that might happen again. Is there anyway to strengthen my air so this doesn't happen?
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Author: cxgreen48
Date: 2012-01-16 17:04
I'm no mouthpiece expert, but I think the reason that you are experiencing this is probably more because of the internal dimensions of the mouthpiece and less of the facing.
I have similar experiences when switching between my M30 and my Fobes SF CF+ which is supposed to be a more closed facing than the M30, except that the M30 seems to plays stuffier and with less dynamic range.
I remember when I used to play the M30 I would adjust my reeds a lot so that playing would feel more open and free blowing.
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2012-01-16 17:11
I'm not sure what you experienced, but it's unlikely to have had anything to do with needing to "strengthen [your] air stream" if it's strong enough for the B45. Did you change reed strength to accommodate the change in facing. I doubt if I could make a B45 play comfortably with the reeds I use on any of the mouthpieces I've used, which are closer to the M13 in facing style. A reed that works well on a B45 would probably close up on an M13 unless you know to expect the problem and can compensate for it - and even then it wouldn't be comfortable. Or, if you know the M13 will work best with a harder reed, you might easily guess wrong and go too far with the first experiment. A reed that's too hard won't vibrate well either.
What if anything did you do about reeds when you tried the M13?
Karl
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Author: DrewSorensenMusic
Date: 2012-01-16 17:12
In my humble opinion, what you appear to be affected by is the facing curve of the mouthpiece. A B45 appears to have a Medium Long facing, where as the M13 has a Long facing. It is important on Vandoren mouthpieces more so than any other maker that you understand exactly what you are getting in a mouthpiece. They change the whole dimention of the piece, not just the tip opening. Some suggestions:
If you really want to play the M13, you may have to take more mouthpiece into your mouth than you are used to. A couple other guys on the board know of a "Squeak" technique that they seem to be fond of, and this may help locate the best position for your mouth on that particular mouthpiece.
If you would like a similar feeling mouthpiece, but with a smaller tip opening, can I suggest a 5RV Lyre. It seems to be a popular mouthpiece, it's facing curve is similar to your B45, and while it is smaller than the M30, I do not believe it will be too small for your purpose. The M30 has a Long facing like the M13, so if you are having trouble with the M13, maybe it's best not to use the M30.
Here's a reference for more info on vandoren mouthpieces:
http://www.saxplus.com/vandoren-clarinet-mouthpieces.html
Good Luck
Andrew Sorensen
Http://www.youtube.com/user/DrewSorensenMusic
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Author: Bb R13 greenline
Date: 2012-01-16 17:56
When I switched to the m30 I changed my reed from blue box 3s to v 12 3s not for any resistance issues I just found they sounded better and according to the vandoren site they are almost the same strength as blue box. I also used more mouthpiece like was said, I did the squeak test and also checked where the reed touches the mouthpiece. Than I put a little patch on the top to make sure I always play in the same spot
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2012-01-16 19:32
Going down in size of the mouthpiece will ALWAYS take a bit of adjustment but have faith, it will come. I think you will eventually find you have BETTER focus and MORE dynamics with the M13. Just be patient.
................Paul Aviles
P.S. Don't try to compensate with different strength (or style reeds). Let the difference settle first (or stated a different way, change only ONE thing at a time).
Post Edited (2012-01-16 19:34)
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Author: Bb R13 greenline
Date: 2012-01-17 01:32
Thanks for the advice Paul, I played on the mouthpiece today in my orchestra rehearsal and it was great!:D guess It just takes alittle bit to get used to
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2012-01-19 00:49
Anyone try the Morgan mouthpieces. They have a huge range of facings. All of them are pretty good. The 1.01 facing may be slightly too close. However all of the other facings are really good.
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Author: DrewSorensenMusic
Date: 2012-01-19 01:25
I have a Morgan RM10 sitting in the closet, benched for my Fobes Cicero 13. If you told me I had to go back, I'd have no complaints. Very nice, even tone. Better for me than a 5RV Lyre. I got it cause I was playing lots of big band at the time, and I heard it was the Benny Goodman Mouthpiece.
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Author: gsurosey
Date: 2012-01-19 18:30
I play on an M13 (mostly for solo work) and I use Vandoren V12 4s with it. The only think I don't like about it is since it's Series 13 (pitched to A440), I play horribly flat on a cold clarinet (even with a 64mm barrel). I tend to use my Fobes CWF in orchestra more (that mouthpiece plays sharper and the wind players' pitch overall goes up as rehearsal progresses).
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Rachel
Clarinet Stash:
Bb/A: Buffet R13
Eb: Bundy
Bass: Royal Global Max
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