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Author: DAVE
Date: 2012-01-12 19:38
One good thing from all of this is that the NYP is getting a lot of attention.
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2012-01-12 19:51
They really should have ejected the bozo. And if he was a subscriber, that should have ended his subscription.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: DAVE
Date: 2012-01-12 20:03
Once when I was in a performance playing Dances of Galanta, a phone went off right after the run following the sustained Eb in the opening solo. Perfect timing. The hall was quiet... I waited for it to end and continued the solo. I have a recording of it too.
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Author: genekeyes ★2017
Date: 2012-01-12 20:18
"Mr. Gilbert turned to the orchestra and said "Number 118." (Again, thanks to thousandfoldecho.com for this detail.) The band picked up the movement from the final fortissimo ending in the brass, and played the work through to its last, quiet pages."
When was the last time you heard the NYP referred to as "The Band"
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2012-01-12 20:18
I saw this report on Chicago's own WGN news and could not believe it. With less than 90 minutes of one's high tech life at stake, you think shutting off a phone would be possible.
Morales needs to stand at the ready to let the next offender have it with his MOBA.
...................Paul Aviles
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Author: GBK
Date: 2012-01-12 20:46
genekeyes wrote:
> When was the last time you heard the NYP referred to as "The Band"
When reading the reviews of some of the Pierre Boulez era concerts ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
...GBK
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2012-01-12 21:27
I actually feel sorry for the guy with the iPhone. It's an easy mistake to make (especially if you don't get reminded about it just before the concert starts) Not only must it have been extremely embarrassing at the time - audience members started shouting at him and the orchestra actually stopped playing! - but his silly mistake has now made the international press!
I wonder who was calling him? Gustav maybe?
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2012-01-12 21:41
This is why it's vitally important to be skilled at silencing your phone quickly. Couple seconds is fine, but I suspect this one went on a while.
Friend of mine's went off during the quiet part of a Bruckner once... she couldn't shut it up, so I snatched it and sat on it.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2012-01-12 21:46
> Easy mistake to make but thoughtless
> He probably did want anyone to think it was him so did not go to turn off the phone
> Most likely his Mom calling to ask him why he hasn't called her for such a long time
> Notice that none of the articles named him.
He is the Steve Bartman (Chicago Cubs 2006) of Classical music now.
Post Edited (2012-01-13 01:59)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2012-01-13 06:18
iPhone....... the Galaxy SII has this thing that if it's ringing, you can put the screen side on something (table, floor, etc. or depending on what you're wearing or the shape of your body, thigh, stomach, etc.) and it will stop ringing. So if one of those, belonging to the person next to you, rings during a concert, and you take it a throw it on the floor, make sure it lands with the screen facing down.
:)
Post Edited (2012-01-13 06:21)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2012-01-13 08:05
Surely all concerts have an announcement made before they start instructing audience members to switch their mobiles off. Signs are one thing, but an extra reinforcing reminder such as a pre-recorded announcement played over the PA system definitley makes people take notice which will save embarrassment and annoyance later on.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Danny Boy
Date: 2012-01-13 09:05
I find it amusing that they started at figure 118 after the incident - the number for all UK directory assistance companies!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZw87CSV-o4
Post Edited (2012-01-13 09:07)
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2012-01-13 13:57
The follow up story is that the 60 year old business man was just given and Iphone to replace his Blackberry and the alarm caused the turned off phone to reanimate and alarm. Of course you might ask how someone who is unfamiliar with the phone would know how to even set an alarm or why he would set it for circa 9:20 in the evening.
He as officially apologized to the conductor who in turn accepted his apology.
HEY, and Dileep, Why'd ya have to bring up Steve Bartman? Isn't the hiring of Bill Buckner bad enough this year?
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: bmcgar ★2017
Date: 2012-01-13 15:40
Stuff like this isn't confined to audience members.
Here's a bassoonist in a local group who, though she's been a player for 20 years, consistently beeps on her reed anytime she feels like it, regardless of what's going on around her (in this case, the conductor introducing a novelty number).
http://home.comcast.net/~bmcgar/beep.mp3
Enjoy.
B.
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2012-01-14 15:50
Yes, the NYT said he had a conversation with MD Gilbert regarding his phone ring.
Bet that included an apology with some $$$ attached to it.
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Author: LJBraaten
Date: 2012-01-14 17:31
If anything this is a sad commentary on our culture. When did each of us become so important or helpless that we have to have a phone/computer within reach every minute of every day? Steve Jobs has been hailed as a genius since he anticipated what we "needed" before we knew we needed it. Need?? What we have is a proliferation of addictive toys. In the process we have become a mass herd of dependent slaves. I'm including myself, as I send this message on my usually present and constantly used android. I try to leave it home once a week, but it's not enough.
end of rant, off to check my bids.... :^(
Laurie (he/him)
Post Edited (2012-01-17 05:51)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2012-01-14 17:39
I for one definitly don't rely on my mobile - I've only got a £10 Motorola off eBay which I use whenever I'm going out in case of emergencies, other than that I can send texts if I have to, but I generally tell people to use my landline number to call me on as I never have my mobile to hand when I'm at home.
It's amazing how some people get in a right old tizz if they haven't got their mobile on them, even if it's only for an hour or even less!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2012-01-14 17:40)
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Author: marcia
Date: 2012-01-14 17:45
>If anything this is a sad commentary on our culture. When did each of us >become so important or helpless that we have to have a phone/computer >within reach every minute of every day?
My sentiments exactly. We did survive without them for many years. A few years ago I went out for lunch with "the girls" from work. As soon as we were seated, at least three cell phones appeared on the table. I was aghast!
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2012-01-14 18:44
"If anything this is a sad commentary on our culture. When did each of us become so important or helpless that we have to have a phone/computer within reach every minute of every day?"
In all fairness, it was an alarm clock feature of the phone. Phones are terribly useful devices (use them to check traffic so you can get to the concert in time, for example, or to meet someone for dinner afterwards), and it's much simpler to take them with you than to selectively leave them and take them... stuff gets lost that way.
I'll agree that people use them way too much, but I think that someone's device accidentally making noise, when that person had shut the device off, is hardly a sad commentary on our culture.
My phone is important to my livelihood. Fairly often, a gig or rehearsal has had a change in time or place, or there has been a last minute request for a different instrument or piece of equipment. I've also gotten last-minute calls for things while away from home ("Play this show at 8?")
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2012-01-14 22:13
The importance of having connectivity for work is not questioned. What IS a sad commentary on culture is when we commit to watch other people WORK and don't afford them the simple respect of our full attention ...... sad.
..................Paul Aviles
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2012-01-14 22:29
But, once again, if the reports are accurate, he *had* turned his phone off. He didn't know (I wouldn't either) that the phone would turn itself back on so he wouldn't miss the alarm. Apparently (according to what I've read - I wasn't there), he did the right thing but it wasn't enough.
Karl
Post Edited (2012-01-14 22:30)
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Author: Claire Annette
Date: 2012-01-15 01:20
Church services, concerts/rectals, and solemn ceremonies: places where cell phones have no business being on. Equally rude and annoying is when people surf the net and text on their phones during these times.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2012-01-15 06:16
>> The
>> Phone
>> Was
>> Turned
>> Off
Actually, it was put on 'silent', not turned off. One of the first things I checked when I got a new phone recently was if putting it on 'silent' actually silences EVERYTHING. I found out that it doesn't. Some things, although extremely unlikely to happen, can make some noises even on silent mode. So in concert I don't put it on silent, I turn it off.
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2012-01-15 06:38
What's your source for it being on silent rather than off? Not saying that it wasn't, just that I haven't read that anywhere.
My friend's phone was off, not silent, when it woke itself to interrupt the Bruckner those years ago (I know because she damn sure turned it all the way off before the not-properly-dismissed alarm interrupted the Bruckner AGAIN five minutes later). Some electronics' "off" is not a true powered-down "off", but rather an "extremely dormant".
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2012-01-15 09:42
>> What's your source for it being on silent rather than off? Not saying that it wasn't, just that I haven't read that anywhere. <<
So you haven't read the link you posted?
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2012-01-15 15:34
clarnibass wrote:
> >> The
> >> Phone
> >> Was
> >> Turned
> >> Off
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> Actually, it was put on 'silent', not turned off.
Well, this seems to be a little vague. In a different followup article in the NY Times at http://tinyurl.com/82qy6xp the reporter says,
"Actually, Patron X said he had no idea he was the culprit. He said his company replaced his BlackBerry with an iPhone the day before the concert. He said he made sure to turn it off before the concert, not realizing that the alarm clock had accidentally been set and would sound even if the phone was in silent mode."
So, was it off or in silent mode? We'll probably never know, but I guess the lesson to be learned doesn't so much concern rudeness at concerts (whatever he did, he deliberately tried to avoid exactly the situation that developed) as it does the quirks of modern electronics and the possibilities for embarrassment (or worse) they present that users need to be aware of.
Karl
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Author: William
Date: 2012-01-15 17:55
Reminds me of the minister that reacted to a phone ringing during his sermon with, "That had better be God calling......"
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Author: DrewSorensenMusic
Date: 2012-01-15 18:17
Why did the audience member not grab the phone, and shut it off again? It was apparently going off for a while. The conductor clearly says that usually they just keep playing through most disturbances, but this particular disturbance was impossible to continue with.
I like bmc's bassoon clip.
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Author: JEG ★2017
Date: 2012-01-15 20:46
My wife and I were at a Philharmonic concert on 12/30 and happened to have a conversation about this very subject. She told me to set my phone (BlackBerry) to silent, then turn it off. She said this was the most foolproof method to avoid what happened to Patron X. We have had the experience of phones turning themselves on at home a number of times, and now leave the phones turned off in another room at night. The phones can surprise you when you're not familiar with them.
Last year I inadvertantly hit the panic button on my car's remote key, and though I was standing next to the car I didn't realize it was my car that was beeping for about a minute, so I can see how something like that could happen. Since Patron X apologized, I think we should all realize that any one of us could be in a similar situation and take steps to minimize the possibility.
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