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Author: Vova Doob(UA)
Date: 2011-09-22 15:09
Hi!
Who played on Brilhart Ebolin Clarinet Mouthpiece o rCh. Chedeville mtp?
I want to know difference betwen this mouthpieces and vandoren.
Also, what vintage mouthpieces would you recommend to try.
Thank You!
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Author: Chris Hill
Date: 2011-09-24 06:48
I've played some old Charles Chedeville mouthpieces. The ones I played had more clarity and projection than the Vandorens I've tried.
Some other good vintage mouthpieces would be Lelandais, Kaspar, and Penzel Muller.
Chris Hill
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Author: The Doctor ★2017
Date: 2011-09-24 12:28
(Disclaimer - I sell recreations of Chedeville mouthpieces)
There is such variability in the old Kaspar, Lelandais, and Chedeville mouthpieces that it would be hard to make a recommendation based on most people's ability to try enough examples of each (there were 2 Kaspars also). There were "bummers" in each variety - who knows what you would be getting?
There are custom mouthpiece makers - see the sponsor's page and previous threads - that make very good reproductions in the style of these old mouthpiece varieties plus their own modern interpretations. Many of them will send you multiple mouthpieces of each style to try. You should compare them with several of the Vandoren models much discussed here on the BB sent also on trial from a couple online retailers.
Only you can decide - possibly with the advice of a teacher, mentor or friend - what your preference for your particular sound and playing ability dictates.
L. Omar Henderson
www.doctorsprod.com
www.ChedevilleMP.com
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2011-09-26 08:58
Forget Brilhart. Nice guy, good player in his time, the 40's, never could play his MP's. He joined Rico to make mouthpieces 1983, we were hired the same day! The idea he had was really great, actually amazing, the MP's would never break. I threw some at brick walls, hit one with a 5 iron at a golf course, never broke, chipped dented, nothing. Too bad they don't play very well. He was 73 and he'd ask me to play test 100's of mouthpieces. I think he hated me because I rejected everyone! For whatever reason Rico marketed them and you can find them on ebay for around $10. He was a very nice man as was his wife. He passed on at 93. He lived a very exciting life. The first musician to get into molding mouthpieces. That was around 1940. If he was in his 40's I'm sure he would have come up with something decent, just a bit too old and way out of practice, in fact he never practiced which was the demise of the Rico mouthpieces.
Chedevilles, the real ones, can be found on ebay. Be ready to pay a hefty price for one. I agree with my friends Chris Hill and the doc on this topic. Sadly not too many Kaspers and ched's play well anymore. Most of the time they've been redone and basically aren't as good as the first ones. Look for a clean one on places like ebay. You may get lucky. I've never bought one on ebay and I've been a member on ebay since 1991. Money is not the issue. I could buy around 50 at $600 without worrying about my cash flow.
I've had excellent luck with redoing V-13's. Takes a lot of work; well worth it. Takes me around 1 1/2 to 3 hours to redo them. uggg
If you'd like more info feel free in emailing me. I'm pretty open and understand most of the mouthpieces on the market today. Chris Hill and the Doctor are also good sources and we've talked on the phone a few times.
After reading Eddie's post he is very right, right on target. I played one of his and they beat the heck out of the cheds I have and the Kaspers I've played on. When you look at them your first thought is YUK because of the look of them. Play one and you will be very surprised.
Keep looking around, don't spend a ton of money on the Chedevilles or Kaspers, unless you like to spend a heck of a lot of money for what I consider a great mouthpiece from the past, 1930's or so to the early1960's
savagesax@aol.com 661 702-1315
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
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Author: Ursa
Date: 2011-09-26 10:17
I have vintage Brilhart Ebolin and Tonalin mouthpieces and for all-around clarinet playing, they are best avoided--they're just too bright sounding for orchestral and concert band use in this day and age. They are fine for playing jazz and big band music, and nice for playing outdoors gigs.
I also find that classic Brilharts don't respond well with most of the clarinets I've tried them on. Seems like mine only work with "stuffy" clarinets.
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2011-09-26 16:28
Chris Hill wrote:
> Some other good vintage mouthpieces would be Lelandais, Kaspar,
> and Penzel Muller.
Any suggestions on which P-M mouthpieces are the better ones? I have a handful of them in my drawer from various vintages. Most need refacing to be playable but I had held onto them thinking they might make decent blanks should I ever decide to get one worked on.
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Author: NBeaty
Date: 2011-09-26 17:06
www.clarinetmouthpiece.com
If you're interested in trying a kaspar, chedeville, PM, etc. you'll end up spending a lot of money on a lot of mouthpieces that don't play well compared to the Behn Vintage. It's everything that is great about vintage material and design, but modernized for greater consistency and absolutely amazing results.
I have a case full of chedevilles and other mouthpieces from the pre-WWII era. In the same case there are 3 Behn Vintage model D's. All of the Behn mouthpieces play better!
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Author: Ed
Date: 2011-09-26 20:59
You'll get lots of opinions from all over. All that really matters is what works for you. In my experience, I have played some vintage pieces that were terrific and some that were lousy. The same goes for modern mouthpieces. I have played many modern mouthpieces, including some of the reproductions that I would not want to play if you gave me them for free. All of those have fans that love them. The only way to know is to try and see what you like and what works for you.
Post Edited (2011-09-26 22:52)
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Author: davyd
Date: 2011-09-27 15:16
What qualifies as "vintage"? How old does a mouthpiece have to be in order to merit that descriptor?
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2011-09-27 15:32
davyd wrote:
> What qualifies as "vintage"? How old does a mouthpiece have to
> be in order to merit that descriptor?
I would imagine that definitions will vary. Usually when people talk about vintage mouthpieces they are referring to older, out-of-production models generally made before 1970. Realistically instead of just saying "vintage" we all should probably qualify the term by providing an approximate age.
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Author: NBeaty
Date: 2011-09-27 17:14
Generally:
-Out of Production
-Made from a blank that is no longer available new
-Made by someone who has passed away or stopped making mouthpieces.
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Author: Chris Hill
Date: 2011-09-28 03:16
SteveG,
Generally, I prefer the P-M mouthpieces that have the name in a dotted circle. I've had some of the ones that say Artist Model turn out well, but not as high a percentage.
If you live near New York or South Dakota, I'd be happy to take a look at them, and tell you which ones are the most promising.
Chris
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