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Author: MSK
Date: 2011-08-20 22:14
I'm playing the Adagio movement of Mozart Clainet Concerto in church in a few weeks. The plan is to play with piano accompaniment. My first question is whether the forum can recommend a preferred publisher for the accompaniment. My second question is whether anyone has tried it with organ. The church has an excellent organ & very talented organist who prefers organ to piano, but I haven't seen organ sheet music.
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2011-08-20 23:27
My favorite arrangement for piano is the Southern, but it's in Bb. I haven't played any of the ones I've got that are in A though, just the Southern and the Fischer (also Bb; not my fave).
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Author: Joseph Brenner, Jr.
Date: 2011-08-21 01:56
I'd be concerned by the acoustic effect of an environment of hard surfaces, and would favor the piano as opposed to the organ. The organ's sound is penetrating. In the church environment, that sound, with its carrying power, might not marry well with the sound of the clarinet. I hope you and your partner can practice at the church, preferably with another person present, to allow you to assess the balance of sound each way.
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2011-08-21 05:33
ORGAN! DO IT!
You're already not playing it with an orchestra, so do something with epic style!
The second movement, especially, I think would sound quite good with organ. First and third would be a stretch... I think they'd be awesome to my taste, but traditionalists may disagree. The adagio, though, I think should work very well.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2011-08-21 11:46
But there is Urtext Mark. We have the fragment and quite a few contemporary arrangments of the concerto, also the review which states a few of the edits from basset clarinet to "normal" clarinet. Combine these and one can come up with an Urtext
Peter Cigleris
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Author: MSK
Date: 2011-08-21 13:04
To clarify: My question is regarding the accompaniment, not the solo part. I will be playing the Schirmer version of the solo because that is what I learned when I was still in school and taking private lessons. I'm a fairly skilled amateur who plays with an orchestra, but I don't have the training to feel confident deviating from the version I was taught. As to the venue - I've played much simpler pieces such as hymn arrangements with good results, but am not so sure about this one.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2011-08-21 13:17
cigleris wrote:
> But there is Urtext Mark. We have the fragment and quite a few
> contemporary arrangments of the concerto, also the review which
> states a few of the edits from basset clarinet to "normal"
> clarinet. Combine these and one can come up with an Urtext
Your definition of Urtext is a definition of a reconstruction; we have no autograph of basset clarinet concerto, we have no first printing, we have no corrections to that printing.
We have some (probably) damn good reconstructions.
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Author: kdk ★2017
Date: 2011-08-21 14:54
Maybe the simplest thing to try would be to give the organist the accompaniment to the Schirmer version you're going to play and ask him if (a) he could adapt it for an organ and (b) which he'd prefer to play it on. Since the original accompaniment was (urtext available or not) presumably composed for an orchestra rather than for keyboard of any kind, I wonder how much it matters which you use. And if the piano arrangement has been manipulated in any way to match the clarinet edition it was published with, you may end up with small version conflicts that need to be fixed if you mix and match editions for the clarinet and piano parts.
Karl
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2011-08-21 18:06
If the organ is a "real" one, i.e., a pipe organ, the sound may be too enveloping, even using its softest stops. An electronic organ will probably be able to play softer, and the sound, coming from a single speaker rather than many pipes spread over the wall, may be possible to balance against.
I would advise a piano, though. With organ, you would really have to play out, forte or mezzo forte at the softest. While you of course need to project enough to be heard throughout the church, piano lets you be more subtle.
The only way to find out what works best is to run through it in the church with both organ and piano, with a couple of friends in the middle and the back of the room to let you know how it sounds.
Clarinet and pipe organ can work well together. Guy Deplus has a wonderful CD http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8263670. Note however that he plays with a perfectly centered, ringing tone, and he was undoubtedly individually miked to create a good balance.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2011-08-22 00:38
I'd love to play around this piece with an organist. Another piece thats really fun to play at a church is Wagner. Sorry, but I can't remember the name of this slow piece. Maybe someone here remembers the name. I'd love to play this too with an organ. It could be another piece to play if your church wants more music from you or something different. The piano part is very moving, this is why I think it is worth checking out.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2011-08-22 13:11
If you decide on the organ, and if the accompanist is not the church's regular organist, then I suggest you inform the regular organist of what you're doing so he or she doesn't sabotage you, then before the first rehearsal, sneak into the church alone with a pad of Post-It notes on which you've written, "Out of Order." Stick one of these Post-Its on the stop-knobs for any pipes with the following names:
Any "Trumpet" stop (especially Horizontal Trumpet)
Bombarde
Contra-Bombarde
Any "Tuba" stop
Any "Trombone" or "Posaune" stop
Any "Oboe" stop
Any "Stentor" stop
Any other stop indicating a brass or reed instrument
Violin
Salicional bright
Vox humana
Any 32' stops
Mixtures:
Scharf
Repieno Pleno (Full Mixture)
Not entirely joking btw! The brassy and reedy names indicate powerful reed pipes (the "reeds" are metal shallots) that will drown you out. The Vox Humana is brassy on some organs and mellow on others, but its vibrato has a curious masking effect with a clarinet even if the stop isn't brassy.
Don't worry about the organist suspecting anything. Organists consider it common courtesy for the resident to leave little notes on the knobs to warn visitors about which stops don't work. On some organs, that means little notes on half the stops. Just make sure your Post-Its are a different color from the resident's so you can easily remove yours without interfering with his or hers. If the organist *is* the resident ... good luck.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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Post Edited (2011-08-22 13:26)
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Author: davyd
Date: 2011-08-22 17:59
Rob: You might be thinking of the Adagio in D-flat for clarinet and strings, long attributed to the young Wagner, but now ascribed to Heinrich Baermann.
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