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Author: fernie51296
Date: 2011-06-12 05:48
are german system clarinets aloud in normal US orchestras? like besides the chicago symphony. Or are they not welcomed?
Fernando
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2011-06-12 07:37
There are no rules stating that you cannot play an Oehler-system clarinet in a US orchestra but there are some reasons why few if any people do. The main reason would be that it would be difficult to blend with the section unless the other clarinetists were also playing German clarinets due to the tonal differences between boehm clarinets and their smaller-bore German counterparts. There is also the fact that there just aren't a lot of Oehler-system players in the US. Pretty much every clarinet student in the US learns on the Boehm-system and few see the need to change.
There also seems to be a lot of perceived prejudice against any clarinet that doesn't have "Buffet" stamped on it but hopefully this is changing.
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Author: fernie51296
Date: 2011-06-12 07:43
i heard karl leister play with someone and he played a buffet and they blended beautifuly. in fact i remeber it surprised alot of people. i jus cant remember the name of who leister played with. hmmmmm..../:
Fernando
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2011-06-12 07:52
The US clarinet world seems to prefer instruments and accessories with French names and words on them. Italian words are sometimes permitted for model names, too.
[only half joking!] ![[hot]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/hot.gif)
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2011-06-12 13:13
Michelle Zukovsky, principal clarinetist with the Los Angeles Philharmonic, plays Oehler clarinets.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2011-06-12 13:29
Oehler clarinets were played in American orchestras within (barely) living memory -- Bellison in New York and Lindemann in Chicago, for example.
I think Michelle Zukovsky in Los Angeles is I think the only top US player who uses the Oehler system, but her co-principal Lorin Levee plays reform Boehms with a German bore.
Of course if you don't play aloud, you can use any clarinet you like. I recently gave a nearly perfect performance of Cage's 4'33" on a plastic Bundy without a reed! ![[rotate]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley25.gif)
Ken Shaw
Post Edited (2011-06-12 13:38)
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2011-06-12 14:54
It is not a matter of being aloud or not. I don't believe any orchestra in America tells an applicant what instrument they can play or not by policy. It may be by section but that can't be an orchestra policy. I've never seen an orchestra listing a clarinet vacancy say, "French clarinets only" as many in Germany list German system only. It's all a matter of blend, intonation and tone within the clarinet and woodwind section. ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2011-06-12 16:46
The intonation/blend issue could be in part just another prejudice that we subconsciously impose on ourselves. As an example, I recall a story from the early 80's when a french horn playing colleague was making the leap to a professional orchestra. A final round question (no screens - just he and the committee) was, "What brand of horn do you play?" Seeing this question as the "prejudice trap" it was, he replied, "The brand of instrument I play is not relevant."
He got the job.
...........................Paul Aviles
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