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Author: stebinus2
Date: 2010-11-11 07:01
Attachment: Elkhart Eb Metal.jpg (140k)
Does anyone know what kind of barrel goes on this horn? It's an Elkhart Band Eb. Is that a tenon on the right which requires cork? If so, would any Eb barrel fit? If not, where could I get the proper one?
Thanks
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2010-11-11 13:08
That may be a tenon on the right, but I think it's more likely that's the tenon socket, in which case the barrel has the cork that should go into the socket. Metal clarinets are made both ways.
No, any Eb barrel won't fit. You need the right one. That's why I never buy a metal clarinet that's missing the barrel. Finding the right one is unlikely and having one made, while possible, costs money.
Barrels on metal clarinets vary a great deal. They're often missing, discarded because they're so easily mistaken for replaceable sockets used on socket wrenches. Often there's a certain amount of miscellaneous junk in old clarinet cases. People who inherit a metal clarinet, or dealers who buy up estates, usually have no idea of how a clarinet works. If the "socket" isn't already attached on the tenon, and is rolling around loose in the case (and often denting up the clarinet and breaking the mouthpiece that's also rolling around loose in one of those long, skinny, badly-padded cases), it'll get tossed into a box with miscellaneous tools.
Honest, I'm not kidding. I own a metal clarinet I bought despite the missing barrel, because it occurred to me to ask the flea market dealer (a guy I know slightly; he's a dumpster-diver) whether he'd found other stuff in the case. He said "Yeah, some old tools and crap."
Me: "Got the tools for sale?"
Dealer: "Nothing any good -- just tossed 'em in the fifty-cent box over there."
So I rummaged in the box, found the "socket," bought that for fifty cents and got the clarinet for twenty bucks.
Lelia
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Author: Klarnetisto
Date: 2010-11-12 03:55
Thanks for the tip, Lelia! I'll need to remember that when I'm rummaging for metal clarinets at flea markets et al!
Stebinus, I saw that Elkhart Eb on eBay too. There's somebody else on eBay with a lot of metal clarinet barrels that he's selling one by one. I got the measurement of the Eb's top diameter (11/16") from that seller, then asked the barrel seller if he had any that'd fit, and he looked and said no, he didn't.
So again, finding a barrel to fit this beastie will be a neat trick.
There's someone in France who makes replacement barrels for metal clarinets. You might ask him if he could do one for an Eb:
gdepardieu@wanadoo.fr
BTW I decided not to bid on this Elkhart Eb because of the missing barrel, especially because I already have a fabulous metal Eb, a U. S. Army model Cundy-Bettoney.
Klarnetisto
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Author: stebinus2
Date: 2010-11-12 05:37
This may sound crazy but anybody ever experiment with PVC pipe on these things? An 11/16 piece, sanded to fit with a larger diameter piece slid on above and glued for the mouthpiece receiver? Whaddya think, guys and gals? I don't care how it looks. Just want a player.
Post Edited (2010-11-12 05:44)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-11-12 13:24
If you have or can borrow another Eb clarinet to use as a referrence (eg. Noblet, Buffet, Selmer, etc.), use the body of that instrument with the barrel attached and place both instrument joints next to each other so as many of the toneholes lined up on both instruments. Then mark on a piece of paper the end of the tenon of the metal one and also the end of the barrel on the complete one so you have an idea of how long to make the barrel of the metal one.
If the barrel you've fabricated is too long, that's not a problem as it can always be shortened. As has already been mentioned, you can fabricate a makeshift but fully functional barrel from whatever material you like, so if you have the correct diameter PVC or copper tubing, make a barrel from that and once the length is correct, consider having one made from brass or nickel silver (depending what the metal clarinet body is made from) all soft soldered together (so any alterations can be made easily) and have it silver plated to match the rest of the clarinet.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2010-11-12 13:47
If you have the tools to do your own fabricating, I think that's a do-able project and it would be an interesting experiment. The barrel for a metal clarinet is usually nothing but a straight tube inside.
Lelia
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2010-11-12 15:48
Looking at the picture, I have to disagree with Lelia on one point. I think the top of the body is, as you suspect, a tenon that needs cork and I think the socket, if there was one, must have been on the original barrel. (Actually, I think the original barrel was simply a tube at the bottom with a socket at the top for the mouthpiece. The bottom of the tube would fit flush with the bottom "ring" on the clarinet's body.) A tenon that would fit inside the top of your clarinet would have to have a ridiculously small outside diameter. But you should be able to tell. If the original barrel had a tenon that fit inside the clarinet body, there should be a receiver on the upper part of the body.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2010-11-13 12:32
Some of those tenons do have a ridiculously small diameter, but we don't disagree, jnk -- as I said in my previous post, the top of this clarinet could be either the tenon missing a cork or the socket, but now that I look at it again, I think maybe it is indeed the tenon, as you say. It looks similar to the way the top tenon on my E-flat H. Bettoney Silva-Bet would look if I removed the cork. Same problem either way: the barrel / neck needs to be just the right length and diameter.
Lelia
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Author: stebinus2
Date: 2010-11-13 16:45
Thanks for all the suggestions. Subject is now moot to me anyway. The horn went for well over $300! Golly!
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