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Author: tunerman
Date: 2010-03-29 22:42
Hi , Has any one tried the new e11 France clarinet verses the e11 made in germany? Is it a better quality horn? Thanks, tunerman
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Author: GLHopkins
Date: 2010-03-29 23:06
I spoke with Joe D'Ambrosio at Buffet today. I was asking about the various parts being interchangable, and he said that it was a completely different clairnet than the German made E-11. A couple of weeks ago I asked a clarinet teacher in our area if he played the new E-11 France at the TMEA convention. He said he did, and that it played so much like his R-13 that he was going to recommend them to his students as a step-up instruments rather than spending the bucks for a R-13.
I haven't seen or played one, but now I'm anxious to get my hands on one to try out.
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2010-03-29 23:39
If the E-11 France is so good like you said and so similar to R-13 then why having E-13 too ? I've heard from people in the past that maybe 15 years ago or so the E-13 was as good as the R-13 used to be and that the difference between them were not that much. Well I find more difference between R-13 and R-13 Prestige than I find between E-13 and R-13. That's why I have recommended E-13 instead of E-11 in the past.
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Author: GLHopkins
Date: 2010-03-30 02:38
I didn't say it was good. I said a clarinet teacher liked it. Maybe clarinet teachers don't know what they are talking about???? Who knows???? I have no reason to dispute what he said, and will hold MY opinion until I actually get to look one over and play it.
I think the E-13 is a better instrument than the German made E-11, but that is only my opinion. I let others decide what is best for them.
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2010-03-30 02:53
David said:
"E-11 German is a "lightweight" instrument and I don't mean physical weight.
Not even close to the R-13 as far as I'm concerned."
That's why I tell people spend your money on E-13 rather than E-11. It's only few hundred bucks more but still half the price of an R-13 and feels and plays more similar to R-13 than to E-11 and can do the job for you up to after college or serve you as a fine instrument as a hobbyist.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2010-03-30 05:47
I just tried both a few days ago. Last year when I tried the E11 France I thought it had a big problem of the throat A key being too far from the first ring. It was still a little further away than on other clarinets but felt less like a problem this time. I don't know why. I preferred the France model a lot more than the old E11. Though it has glued posts instead of threaded and I can't think of any advantage to this. Maybe it makes it cheaper for them to manufacture by drilling the post holes before assembling them.
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Author: tunerman
Date: 2010-03-30 13:13
Who is playing the e-11 paris? How does it compare to the old e-11? forget the e13 right now. prethanks
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2010-03-30 16:11
Ok tunerman but I tell you there is much much more value in E-13 than E-11. But if your are considering bying the E-11 Paris then it's your money spent not mine.
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2010-03-30 16:33
Iceland:
The E13 is not readily available here in the states. I'm not certain how that compares to the french E11 currently, but clearly Buffet has greater success with some models in different parts of the world.
You can push the E13 all day, but individuals who have little or no access to them are going to trend towards what models are available.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2010-03-30 16:53
Well price policy and availability of certain models from Buffet in USA makes me one big ?
Why are RC-Prestige,R-13 Prestige,Vintage and Festival priced at the same price tag in Europe (At least in UK and Denmark that I've seen) but all priced differently from each other in USA ?
If the E-13 is readily available in USA I can only say I feel sorry for you because you are missing out on one of the best deal in entire Buffet line.
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Author: sbrodt54
Date: 2010-03-30 17:46
Please be careful when you talk about the E-11, not that the B police are watching and reading your posts but there are now three E-11s on the market.
The older one which many stores still have in stock was made in Germany and it was a very fine step-up clarinet, there have been many discussions about it over the past few years here on this board.
The new E-11s are made in France, mostly. The E-11 France is made entirely in France and set up there as well. The other E-11 doesn't have the word "France" on the clarinet, the wood parts are made in France but the keys are all made in China. Everything is assembled and finished in France so the end product is still pretty nice.
The E-13 has been discontinued here in the states for years now, I don't think anyone has stock left anymore but it was made in the same place as the R-13, same keys, less dense wood.
I have played all of the new clarinets including the new Selmer Privilege. They all play well and I'm even happy with the keywork from China, it's well made and the plating seems to be done well too, that surprises me. I think the reviews for both of the new E-11s will be favorable in many ways, I think they are both a nice step better than the older German E-11.
I didn't like the barrel of the Selmer Privilege, when I put my personal barrel on I liked it a great deal, good control and even voicing. I'm anxious to hear what other's think of all three of the new clarinets.
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Author: Sarah Elbaz
Date: 2010-03-30 20:47
I find that the E-11 is excellent for young students (10-15). Until two years ago the E-11's I checked had a plastic bell. Now the bell is made of wood.
Scott- is there a difference in the price of the three E-11s?
Sarah
Post Edited (2010-03-30 20:50)
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Author: GLHopkins
Date: 2010-03-30 21:50
As of a few weeks ago we had a couple of the E-13s in stock. They were transferred out to another location, so I'm not sure they are still available. They are very nice instruments, but are not in a league with the R-13. That's why I don't necessarily believe that the E-11 France is comparable to a R-13. I won't dispute what someone else has to say until I get to check one out.
From what the guy at Buffet said there is only going to be one E-11 available. I have no information to dispute what he says.
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Author: sbrodt54
Date: 2010-03-30 21:53
Sarah,
Since I am not an authorized advertiser on this board I feel it's unethical to type out prices or to solicited sales in any way. I'm not hiding my music store but I don't sell on line, I like to do business in person if possible.
All three sell for about the same price with the German ones the lowest; I would like to see them go first if possible. There is less than $200 difference from the top to the bottom so they are close in price.
Since they are shipping too all authorized dealers I'm sure they must have made it to where ever you are, go and play the new ones, I'm pretty sure you will really like them!
Scott Brodt
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Author: Sarah Elbaz
Date: 2010-03-31 05:53
Scott
I didn't ask you to type the prices and I am not planning to buy any clarinets- just asked if there is a difference in the price. But thanks for your answer- I got the information I needed.
Sarah
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