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Author: thedean
Date: 2010-02-25 22:26
Hi Everyone,
I'm a second year Uni student in Australia, and I'm expected for first semester to give a technical recital as such.
Included in the recital is (in all keys):
- Major, Harmonic Minor and Melodic Minor Scales and Arpeggios
- Whole Tone Scales
- Diminished and Dominant Sevenths
- Studies
- Orchestral Excerpts
- Exercises
- Scales in Thirds
Most of these parts are of no problem to me, Scales, arpeggios, diminished and dominant, are all okay for me.
I have many studies and excerpts going at the minute as i do for exercises.
However, when it comes to scales in thirds, there is just something about them that I cannot grasp. I can do the simple ones, like F major, G major, C Major, and stumble through E major.
But there is just something about them I cannot get my head around. I'm not sure whether it is a practice thing, which i'm assuming it would be the way I am practicing them. Or whether I am confusing myself, with my thinking.
Does anyone have any tips out there, that may be a little bit out there? Rather than the "just practice slowly" or "practice in parts" i've done all that and it doesn't seem to work.
Does anyone know of any good literature, study books, exercise books to help with this?
Thanks
Dean
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2010-02-26 02:18
How are you visually pairing the notes? Do you see the first and second as a pair, or the second and the third?
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2010-02-26 13:17
Scales in thirds are all very well spelled out for you in Baermann Part III. Wonderful technique builder, too!
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2010-02-26 13:56
Where are you studying Dean? I went to the VCA and this sounds like what I had to do in first year.
Definitely take this to your teacher and apart from the great tips given so far, when learning completely new scales, I think it is every bit about scheduling your practice routine as well as how you practice. Schedule your 'best' or most intense practice early in the morning, and keep it in a routine. A routine is really good for the brain to develop and solidify new concepts.
Above all this, practice it slowly, and by slowly I specifically mean so slow that you couldn't possibly get it wrong, and build from there. DO NOT build upon bad habits, it makes them permanent!
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2010-02-26 15:46
Fingering
You need to be open about using suitable fingerings for thirds that you would not need to use in running scales. Also be ready to use a different fingering on the down than on the way up for the same note (I run into this mainly coming down from altissimo into the clarion).
And then it gets even trickier with the Interrupted Scales in the Baermann.
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: William
Date: 2010-02-26 16:13
There's no easy shortcut--simply practice until you succeed. If you pay your dues (practice consistantly, long enough & hard enough) you will get it...just like the rest of us. Klose would be a good start--Baermann the "closer".
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2010-02-26 23:49
I was going to suggest the Baermann bk 3 as well. Memorize them from the book the same way you would a solo. There needs to be a combination of playing by rote and visualizing what you're playing but some times things like this are best done on auto pilot. Practice one or two octaves at a time, close your eyes and play it then add the next octave and do the same thing until you have it mastered. It will take time. Work out all your fingerings before you begin to memorize it. ESP
http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2010-02-27 15:33
One example I just thought of in terms of "funny fingering" with thirds is Ab Maj. going up into the clarion. You can take the "C" on either the right or the left. However, as you go down into the chalameau from the clarion, you can ONLY to the "C" on the left.
Weird
..................Paul Aviles
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2010-02-28 08:02
Students, and even pros in general, really hate playing scales. All of the above posts offer excellent advisements. I would suggest that to get the best out of your practice time, start with scales first. Since playing in 3rd's seems to be a problem start off slow, so slow that a 16th note may equal to about a quarter note. Increase the speed slowly. This will surely help train your mind and hands to sync together becoming automatic, pretty much as discribed by Ed Palanker. I play about 5 hours a day, 2 hours are scales only, when I first get up in the morning. Take brief breaks every 20 to 30 minutes, about 5 minutes, to allow your brain to refocus. If you practice about 1 hour a day, spend a third of that time on scales; about 20 minutes.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2010-03-01 01:59
Klose starting with page 123 has a very good warmup/scale study on it. A few pages after page 123 are the scales in thirds. I try to run through them (albeit not as slowly and perfectly as I should) each day as part of my warmup.
If that's the part you're having trouble with and you feel confident with the other scales, spend MORE time on the part you're having trouble with each day, but don't forget to run through the rest of your skills to at least keep them current.
Alexi
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Author: thedean
Date: 2010-03-04 22:12
Hi everyone,
thanks for the heaps of feedback. very helpful.
have just been notified of a change in the requirements, and all this talk of "you should look at Baermann book III" will definitely help.. have a look at the requirements.
YEAR 2: Clarinet Scales: 40%
Baermann Daily Exercises (from op 63 Hoffmeister edition):
Exercise no. 1 (I, II, III) Major and harmonic and melodic minor scales, whole tone and chromatic scales.
Exercise no. 2 (I, II) Major, minor & augmented arpeggios
Exercise no. 3 (I, III) Diminished 7ths
Exercise no. 4 (I) Returning Scales
Exercise no. 7 Dominant 7ths
Exercise no. 9 (I, III) Scales in 3rds
Minimum tempo: Semiquavers at crotchet = 60
Articulation: As marked. Dynamic: mf
Studies: 40%: As for Year 1.
Orchestral excerpts Prepare the full excerpt list. Two excerpts to be played in the assessment: 20%
Seems like its a lot more than i expected them to change it to.
But at least everyone has a clear understanding of what is really required now!
[ edited - GBK ]
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