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Author: TooYung
Date: 2010-01-05 23:13
Well x-mas just passed, and mother found a job. Now she promises to get me a new clarinet ! So I was wondering, been playing clarinet for um...since 5th grade and I am now half way through 8th. And i've been playing on a uh...student clarinet(?) its black and hard and not wood and sounds meh. So i get into advanced band with my secondary instrument (contra-alto clarinet) and I hear the first chair clarinetists sound. It sounds really good. Unlike mine. So in short - what is a good *wooden* clarinet that I could buy, and would be a good investment. I've been hearing some pretty good things about that buffet E-11...care to share?
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2010-01-05 23:26
We've discussed this to death in your other threads. Go back and look there.
The E-11 isn't all that great, as several people have already mentioned.
If you can't even name what you are now playing, how do you expect people to recommend an upgrade?
A new instrument does not make you a magically better player. Find a teacher first, and then when you are ready, look for a new (or used!) upgrade instrument. In the meantime, you will be wasting your mother's money if you go forth blindly looking for instruments based on the recommendation of people who know nothing about you, your skill and level of development, or anything about your playing particulars.
Or just ignore everyone and drop about $6000 on a new Buffet Tosca or Leblanc/Backun Legacy. If you can't sound good on one of those, you're doomed. (Tongue placed firmly in cheek)
By the way... a good hard rubber (or even ABS plastic) clarinet in the hands of a capable musician will play circles around an undeveloped musician with an expensive horn.
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: TooYung
Date: 2010-01-05 23:52
I'm not one of those kiddies asking mommy "OOOO LOOK AT DAT KLARINET IT MUST MAKE ME SOUND BETTER CAUS HE PLAIS G00D!!1". I ask of a reasonable, intermediate clarinet. I've been playing for around 3 or 4 years, and i'm *almost* first chair in concert band.
I am sorry if this sounds, perchance, a bit rude, but I asked not for your opinion oh what I should not get - 6000$ brand new horn - but what I should get based on me saying i've been playing since 5th grade and i'm in 8th. Your mention of, "A new instrument does not make you a magically better player." frankly digusts me, that you think my intelligence is comparable to that of a new players.
I can not name what I am playing because it was given to me of the shelf of 20 other identical clarinets, by my band teacher. I could not afford a rental horn myself at that time.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2010-01-06 00:42
I'm not too familiar with student model clarinets but I'll say this. The E 11 is probably as good as any other clarinet in that price range because with all clarinets, including the higher end ones, some are really good and some are dogs. That's the reason that a pro will go though dozens of clarinets before choosing the one they like. Some are better in tune than others, some have better tones than others and I'm talking about comparing the same brand and model. You can probably get a terrific E-11 and you might get one with problems. That's why you should have someone that plays very well compare them for you if you can. In any case, as far as tone goes, the proper mouthpiece will do much more to improve your tone quality than any wood clarinet. It also helps to learn to be playing properly so you're not choking, or have your tongue in a poor position or have a bad embouchure or not be using your air support properly. If you're not doing those things right or you're using a mouthpiece that's not good for you, a new clarinet is not going to make you sound better. Are you taking lessons? You should. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: cxgreen48
Date: 2010-01-06 00:42
Just because a clarinet is wooden doesn't mean it'll play or sound better. I can sound at least 85% the same on a good-working-condition plastic clarinet as I sound on a good-working-condition wooden clarinet with my mouthpiece + reed setup.
I think I far better and less expensive way to improve your sound is by trying different mouthpieces and reeds. You may be surprised by how dramatically your sound changes with the right mouthpiece + reed setup.
What mouthpiece and reeds are you playing on now?
BTW, I feel the E11 is overrated and overpriced for what it is. I know some people who have some terrible intonation issues on their E11 clarinet.
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Author: jacoblikesmusic
Date: 2010-01-06 03:01
I agree with everyone above. The E11 is definitly not worth it. And I also agree, a wooden instrument doesn't just make you magically better.
Cxgreen48 is also correct in saying a good reed, mouthpiece, and lets add ligature to that is a better way to improve your sound rather than blowing a few thousand bucks on a wooden instrument.
But I do know that most schools have HORRIBLE instruments. Previous students misuse the intruments and they are only around 100 dollars.
If you REALLY want a good intrument that will get you a long ways, try a Leblanc Bliss Clarinet.
Developed by Julian Bliss, you can't get much better than that for that price for that kind of instrument. I've personally tried several and they almost all play exceptionally well. The material used also sounds very close to a wooden instrument if you get the material that isn't wood.
The Bliss line also has a wooden clarinet if you really want one, and it is at a good price comparing to say the Buffet R13 or Yamaha Custom.
But in my opinion, I agree with JJAlbrecht. Getting a teacher is a FAR better investment than getting a new clarinet.
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Author: pewd
Date: 2010-01-06 03:16
I like E11's. I have had dozens of students playing on them, with good results. They can still be found , new, for under $800.
That being said, most of my students move up from an E11 to an R13 by the time they reach 8th or 9th grade.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: johng ★2017
Date: 2010-01-06 04:06
I have students with E-11's and my experience is that they are a pretty decent clarinet for an intermediate. I have also tried a Julian Bliss Leblanc and was impressed by its smoothness and even tone quality up and down the instrument. That was just a few minutes trial, though. Pay attention to Ed Palanker's comments.
John Gibson, Founder of JB Linear Music, www.music4woodwinds.com
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Author: Nessie1
Date: 2010-01-06 08:00
I'm with those above who say that the best bet is to go to a reputable shop and try a range of clarinets of different models in your price range - possibly including some secondhand as well as new (which may mean that you get a better clarinet for your money). If they will let you take one away to try for a week or so, so much the better. As someone else has said, if you can get a really experienced player to try the instrument you're thinking of buying, this may also help but, all in all, go for the instrument, not the model or make.
Good luck and happy shopping!
Vanessa.
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Author: TooYung
Date: 2010-01-06 22:42
Some of you say that I should get a teacher. I already have a teacher, and know most of what I need to know in order to play music.
Also, I guess I should get a new mouthpiece. I'm playing on a school mouthpiece, and i'm guessing a new one would make this one sound like a dieing rat. Thank you all.
/lock
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Author: William
Date: 2010-01-06 23:44
My recommendation, consider a used clarinet. A used instrument will play just as good as a new one and you get the most "bang for your (mother's) buck." Stick to the major clarinet makers--Buffet, Leblanc, Selmer & Yamaha--and be sure you try it before you buy it. Play it, if possible, for you friends, your teacher and in a band that you play in. My personal choice is *anything* Buffet, but you will find great clarinetists that choose those other brands as well. A mouthpiece will also make a world of difference in your sound, articulation and range of musical expression--perhaps more than a new clarinet. Clark Fobes and Walter Grabner both make good, reasonably priced mouthpieces. I hope this is the kind of information you are seeking and that it helps.
Specific recommendation: used Buffet R13 (that plays good for you), Fobes mpc & Rico Reserve #3.5 reeds.
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Author: Bobby McClellan
Date: 2010-01-06 23:58
I would second giving the Ridenour clarinets a try also. I currently am playing on Tom's BBb contra and love it. Nothing but compliments on the sound. I also have his Basset A clarinet and it is a dream to play. I hopefully will give his low c bass a try this summer when I am over his way.
But please let us all know your mouthpiece reed and ligature setup that you are using. Believe me and everyone else here that this can make the largest difference.
Example: When I bought my first bass clarinet i was playing on a vandoren and was having a dickens across the break. swapped to a garret and the horn just sang! kept the mouthpiece when I sold the horn to use on my Yamaha bass.
Bobby M. McClellan
Flowood, MS
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Author: jnc8
Date: 2010-01-07 01:47
I am a college student and I remember the beginning of my clarinet days like yesterday. The biggest change that helped me at that point was a different mouthpiece (Vandoren 5RV Lyre) and some different reeds (Vandoren purple box). This change wasn't until freshman year in high school. You can try the upper end materials and spend as much money as you want, but at your age you probably aren't ready for it. Some of the higher end mouthpieces and reeds are meant for developed players, and won't necessarily help the issues you're having, since they may be developmental in nature and can only improve with time.
I agree with people saying the E-11 isn't anything special. Some of my friends have E-11 instruments, and their intonation problems are off the charts. If you're that serious about buying an upgrade instrument, wait until highschool, see if you still like the instrument then (this stage is when most people decide to stick with it or quit), eventually invest in a professional model Buffet, and see if you can take with a college professor at some point to get ahead. How much you want to spend is also relative to how much you enjoy playing and if you decide to go on in music. Professional model instruments are an investment that needs to be used to their full use or else they're not worth it. Intermediate instruments are good only if you don't see yourself going anywhere for a while in music, or you can't afford a professional model.
The greatest players can make the crappiest instrument sound amazing - tone production is all about the player's interpretation of what a good tone is. It's true about if you surround yourself by great players you will sound better over time, and if you surround yourself by poor players you will sound worse over time. Buy some recording with clarinetists such as Paul Meyer, Sabine Meyer, David Shiffrin, and Jonathan Cohler - listen to them over and over - notice how their tones are, the color of their tones, and the depth of their sound - try to duplicate it on your instrument.
Remember: The most important thing is to practice with what you've got and to think about the purchasing of an instrument only when the opportunity presents itself. Otherwise, you're going to waste valuable practice time on thinking about the $3000 Buffet clarinet that you want.
Best of luck, and keep playing!
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Author: jbutler ★2017
Date: 2010-01-07 02:21
I agree with others in that if you are not taking private lessons by all means do so. You stated you have a teacher, and I'm interpreting that as a private lesson teacher, so if you haven't already received recommendations from him/her is there a reason?
I personally don't think anyone can recommend a specific mouthpiece and reed combination for you that hasn't a reference point concerning your physical features and abilities. There is a lot of good equipment on the market. Do an equipment search on the BB and you'll come up with many different opinions and ideas.
Good luck to you!
jbutler
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Author: Bassie
Date: 2010-01-07 14:22
>> I'm playing on a school mouthpiece, and i'm guessing a new one would make this one sound like a dieing rat.
Yes, probably!
Spend some time getting mouthpiece and reeds sorted. Then go shopping for the expensive bit.
The only way to know /which/ mouthpiece is to play a few. You may want to run it by your teacher.
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Author: mrn
Date: 2010-01-08 04:12
If you don't like the way you sound, and would like to see if a change in equipment would help, the first thing I would look at is your mouthpiece. In my experience, next to the reed of course, the mouthpiece is the piece of equipment that has the most dramatic effect on the way you sound.
On the other hand, it's easy to overestimate the importance of equipment for tone quality. 90% of tone lies in what the player does--and most of that is mental, actually. It's in knowing what you want to sound like and learning (through practice) how to make the instrument do what you want. The 10% that good equipment accounts for lies in making it easier for you to do your part (by not forcing you to fight the equipment).
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2010-01-08 10:09
Hi.
I think that most options have already been fairly well covered, but I'd certainly agree that probably the single item that will make the most improvement at this time is the right mouthpiece/reed combination. I also started on a school band instrument, an elderly Selmer, and the best thing that can be said about it was that on the best day it ever had it was a dog. Things probably haven't changed much since then.
I bought my own mouthpiece to replace the school one and immediately got a vast improvement in intonation and response. This small change was enough to make me realize that the instrument was actually better than I'd given it credit for. It still wasn't great, but at least it was playable, and it got me into the school orchestra.
Later I bought a better instrument, and by then I'd learned enough about intonation from the old Selmer that I found it didn't actually make as much of an improvement as I expected it would.
If there's any advice I could offer you based on my own experience, it would be that if you haven't fully explored the possibilities of the instrument you're playing now you may not get the improvement you're looking for by upgrading now.
That being said, if you do decide to upgrade now then get the benefit of any assistance you can in making your choice. Your teacher, or any experienced players at a substantially higher level than you can probably help you. Try to listen to their advice while filtering out their prejudices.
In the final analysis, don't be driven be manufacturer or model, go for the instrument that feels best for you. If your heart is set on wood, then so be it, but don't sell the plastic clarinet short. In the hands of a good player it doesn't much matter what the instrument is made of, it will still sound good. Good luck with your choice.
Tony F.
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Author: djphay
Date: 2010-01-09 16:22
I'm just an amateur, but played with an E-11 for many years, and whilst I have no way of knowing how typical an example mine is (it's about 15 years old, so was German-made as opposed to the new E-11 made in Buffet's own factory), the left hand key mechanism on the lower joint is pretty lousy, especially the F/C key. I didn't have any particular problems with intonation, however.
Obviously I've no experience of the new E-11s, and it's maybe worth bearing in mind whether people are commenting about the French (new) E11 or the German (old) model?? There is also a whole non-Buffet world out there...
David
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Author: USFBassClarinet
Date: 2010-01-09 18:39
Hello,
Your IP says your in Pinellas county. There is quite a few music shops around here as well as All-State this week if you managed to go. (today is the last day...) Whichever you decide you "need", clarinet or mouthpiece, most of the shops have a wide variety of both. Just take your instrument and set-up and have a long day of trials and comparisons and take home your favorites for a two week trial or so. I'm not sure where in Pinellas you are, but Music Showcase, Bringe Music, Sam Ash, Don Banks, and a few other private places you can find by searching around all have lots of stuff. (Beware, not all have competent associates.)
If your IP is right, I believe Bringe is the closest to you.
I don't believe it ever came up if you have a private clarinet teacher or not, but if you do, take them with you. Or at least, a fairly good clarinet playing friend.
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2010-01-09 19:37
>>"There is also a whole non-Buffet world out there..."<<
Blasphemy!!!
Has the Buffet Mafia come to "pay you a visit" yet???
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: DixieSax
Date: 2010-01-09 20:11
>> Some of you say that I should get a teacher. I already have a teacher, and know most of what I need to know in order to play music.
This is always a scary statement coming from a student. Maturity as a musician comes from realizing that no matter how much you know there is always far more that you have yet to learn.
Recommend seriously that you include your teacher in whatever decision you make. If you make the right decision on the right instrument now, it will last you as far as you want to go.
I don't subscribe to the theory that any one brand is the best - I play Buffet in my classical work, and a vintage Leblanc LL for jazz. I've tried some exceptional Selmers, and I've heard very good things about Ridenhour, among others.
In general, a mouthpiece/reed combo will make the biggest difference (with the exception of the fleshy piece between the chair and the mouthpiece) - and my preference there is something in the Kaspar school. Robert Borbeck does excellent work. I've been playing Gonzalez reeds lately, but have had good luck with Mitchell Lurie and Vandoren.
In short, use your teacher. In fact, use the opinions of any good clarinetists you know in making your decision. Keep in mind that this will be a big investment for your family, and it is your responsibility to them to make sure that it is a good investment.
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Author: djphay
Date: 2010-01-09 20:57
<<Has the Buffet Mafia come to "pay you a visit" yet???>>
Tonight I sleep with the fishes!! :D
David
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Author: Franklin Liao
Date: 2010-01-18 20:49
On the subject of the instrument itself, I do think that we're at a renaissance actually when it comes to the quality of Clarinets available. We very well have some of the worst of the worst, yet also have some of the most accurately machined horns around in the market.
Many individual makers have become so scorned by the cheaply made horns from Taiwan (80s-now) and China (90s onward) that they took it upon themselves to make very price competitive clarinets that are machined to very high standards. Computer aided design and machining have also lead to much more consistent instruments being made.
The material of the clarinet is a topic that we've beaten to death already. Ridenour and Hansen staked their professional esteem on non-wood and produced clarinets that people swear by. Heck, Julian Bliss is particularly proud of the composite used for the Bliss line that carries his name.
TooYung, I can speak about what I did when I went from a 1982 Artley 16S to a... newer Clarinet, if that helps.
Before even deciding on replacing my old horn, I did my readup about clarinet mechanics and got some idea about what governs the instrument. I've always felt that couldn't justify spending money if I am not informed at all.
For me, the call was quite pragmatic as just a checkup by a techie was quoted at $60, the same price that the instrument had left in it.
The aforementioned 'mouthpiece and reed' factor would've meant that I should be spending a good $80 on any sort of Vandoren mouthpiece to replace the badly worn plastic original on the Artley hand-me-down I had. My reeds, being out of a box of Rico 1 1/5 made in 80s was met with a ghastly 'why are you using this' by the tech so that went out too.
So I ended up comparing instruments. I was thinking very pessimistically about what to get. Wood, although associated with nice clarinets, cracks. ABS resin and composites have been mostly associated with the cheap Made in China horns. Only after having done the research did I press ahead with looking to get a new instrument. This is when I found Bboard to read about what others have said on clarinet manufacturing in general.
Even if it is out of my own pocket for a Clarinet, I actually told my relatives and have them see whether or not my reasonings are sound in getting a new instrument. I factored out improving my playing nearly altogether and focused purely on the financial and mechanical aspects. And that's how I started to shop for a new horn.
After that it's looking at the dominant horns around. You lock down your price at a certain point and round up everything that's within this price range, and then you test them and see how you like each and every one of them. For me, they were YCL-250 by Yamaha, B12 by Buffet and a Jupiter, and the newly available Bliss line.
And then it was a round of comparing how the clarinets in question were actually made, and others' impression of them, mechanical issues, product line history,warranty, then lastly, the best price for them.
Well, I went for the Bliss after playing with all of the clarinets.
TooYung, I think personally that you should look to minimize the ding on your mom's account when you choose the instrument that best suits you, while making a case that would leave others in agreement to the reason behind the move to get a new clarinet. Only then can others start pointing you at what to get.
(I did test an E11, but that's in key of A, and mechanically speaking... I somehow liked a cheaper Grenadilla Amati more.)
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2010-01-19 11:25
I don't recall a budget being discussed
But, if all else fails, use your teacher to make a recommendation and selection for you. Your teacher should be able to help you with a new mouthpiece, reed, ligature and clarinet. S/he has an advantage over all of use ... s/he knows you, knows what is available in your area and can directly work with you.
Good luck.
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Stephen Sklar
My YouTube Channel of Clarinet Information
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Author: bstutsman
Date: 2010-01-23 05:47
There are many good and useful comments here.
The best idea is to get a private teacher. Preferably one who is of a classical background. He/she will guide toward an appropriate mouthpiece/reed combination if you don't already have a good one. This combination has more to do with your sound than the instrument itself.
As far as the instrument itself, there are high school clarinet sections in my area that use all Buffet R13s. Expensive, but tried and true. I would stay away from the exotic, new instruments that are made of materials other than wood. I know some swear by them, but the bottom line is that they aren't catching on that much.
A private teacher will no doubt steer you toward their "pet" models, but that's ok. The teacher should have a good understanding of those models and be able to help you with their various proclivities.
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Author: Franklin Liao
Date: 2010-01-23 06:40
>> I would stay away from the exotic, new instruments that are made of materials other than wood. I know some swear by them, but the bottom line is that they aren't catching on that much.
Prof. Sherman Friedman, Tom Ridenour and Julian Bliss/Backun pretty much convinced me on the virtues of composite material. As for catching on, there's already Greenline aplenty amongst card carrying members of the mafia. I'd very much want a Stephen Fox Nexus Bb in Delrin if I suddenly become a millionaire~
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2010-01-23 14:53
" I would stay away from the exotic, new instruments that are made of materials other than wood. I know some swear by them, but the bottom line is that they aren't catching on that much."
So everyone should be 'Just another pathetic sheep following the herd.' (to steal a phrase from an old Subaru commercial)
The big 4 will be proud of you for helping to maintain their dominance. With that line of reasoning, innovation becomes next to impossible, and the art, as well as any progress to refine it, grind to a halt. And if that's the case, maybe we should all switch back to boxwood clarinets and make our own reeds, too.
What is exotic about hard rubber or composites? We use these materials all the time in our mouthpieces and nobody really makes a big deal. The logical progression to making instruments from it is not so great a leap of faith, given the technology and manufacturing processes we can take advantage of today. If using rubber or composite materials frees us from the inconsistencies of wood, what is so risky about using such an instrument, except possibly being ostracized by those ignorant of its benefits? Why do we have to conform to what others think is the ideal, if there is a better (or at least as good) way?
Jeff
(edit for typo)
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: justme
Date: 2010-01-25 00:41
Franklin Liao said:
" Prof. Sherman Friedman, Tom Ridenour and Julian Bliss/Backun pretty much convinced me on the virtues of composite material. As for catching on, there's already Greenline aplenty amongst card carrying members of the mafia. I'd very much want a Stephen Fox Nexus Bb in Delrin if I suddenly become a millionaire~"
JJAlbrecht said: " So everyone should be 'Just another pathetic sheep following the herd.' (to steal a phrase from an old Subaru commercial)
The big 4 will be proud of you for helping to maintain their dominance. With that line of reasoning, innovation becomes next to impossible, and the art, as well as any progress to refine it, grind to a halt. And if that's the case, maybe we should all switch back to boxwood clarinets and make our own reeds, too.
What is exotic about hard rubber or composites? We use these materials all the time in our mouthpieces and nobody really makes a big deal. The logical progression to making instruments from it is not so great a leap of faith, given the technology and manufacturing processes we can take advantage of today. If using rubber or composite materials frees us from the inconsistencies of wood, what is so risky about using such an instrument, except possibly being ostracized by those ignorance of its benefits? Why do we have to conform to what others think is the ideal, if there is a better (or at least as good) way?"
Although I'm really nobody to comment, I agree wholeheartedly with both
of these observations!
You may also be surpised at many pros and others who are now turning to this clarinet:
http://www.ridenourclarinetproducts.com/clarinetcomments.html
JustMe
http://woodwindforum.ning.com/
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Author: Woop Woop
Date: 2010-01-27 03:03
I'm still a high school student so I get what you're talking about. I started on B12 and then a few years later moved to an E11. I now play on an RC prestige. Before doing anything, recommend looking at your mouthpiece+reed setup. When I first started private lessons, well actually, just before, I received a call from my new teacher. The first thing she asked me was what mouthpiece I was on, which, after a year of playing, was still the standard Buffet plastic thing that comes with the box. First thing she gets me to do is dump that and get a Vandoren M13 lyre.
In short, change mouthpieces and reeds first if you're not using great ones.
As to clarinets, the whole Leblanc Bliss range is great. Some of the lower models are composite but in my opinion, having played both, sound better than the E11 and other models of that standard. If you really want wood, bliss's higher end model is a grenadilla model that sounds absolutely fantastic and is much better than the E11
Woop Woop
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Author: redwine
Date: 2010-01-27 11:55
Hello,
For full disclosure, I'm a Buffet artist/clinician.
That being said, I tried a Buffet Limite for the first time at a convention a couple of weeks ago. It played incredibly well and I believe the price is low (I don't know what it is, exactly).
Good luck.
Ben Redwine, DMA
owner, RJ Music Group
Assistant Professor, The Catholic University of America
Selmer Paris artist
www.rjmusicgroup.com
www.redwinejazz.com
www.reedwizard.com
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Author: Franklin Liao
Date: 2010-01-27 12:17
Limite is said to be a hybrid of R13 and E11. I think it's beneath $2000 or so. I seem to recall somebody saying that "The Limite is just like an E11 with an R13 barrel and bell." Buffet stated that the Limite is made in the same factory that produces the R13.
(I suppose Ben used one of his Genussa mpc with the said Limite... and not the stock mpc )
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Author: Eddydavik
Date: 2010-01-27 12:30
If you're only in 8th, then I think you're in a pretty good spot with the non-wood instrument you have now. Don't buy one just to buy one, and that would go for a mouthpiece, too. I would honestly wait until you're at least half way through high school before deciding on investing in one of the top notch (or semi top notch) clarinets. Use what you have to develop yourself... the quality of playing comes more from you than from the instrument.
Granted one can feel a bit unmotivated because their friend is playing a neat-o wood clarinet, but at the end of the day, it's all about the quality of the player.
If you're really desperate though, check out e-bay and pick up an older one that you can take to a shop and fix up for $200 or so (more or less, depending on repairs and status of instrument). It would save your mom a lot of money and you might land yourself a lucky golden ticket.
Edward Escobar
Suita City Wind Ensemble
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Author: Brenda ★2017
Date: 2010-01-27 15:58
Just a thought: don't take everything that's written here as a challenge to your intelligence. As you get more experience in life you'll find that once you can toughen up a bit and emotionally get past what seem to be insulting comments, there's a lot of wisdom being generated here. It's a real skill to be able to hear (or read) past the words and understand what's really being communicated without being offended by them.
Also, anything that's written down doesn't have the tone of voice or the facial expressions along with it. Written thoughts, unless put together graciously, can appear to be harsh when the writer often didn't intend it to be. Your question really has been explored a great deal, and what's expressed here is perhaps just refining what's been written before. People are doing you a favor, and I hope that's the way you're taking it. We've all started at zero and have had to work our way up, so we've been where you are at one point.
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