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Author: Rapidcif
Date: 2009-11-09 01:29
Why do leather ligatures need lubrication to perform at their best?
Because i own a rovner evo-5 and on the instruction manual it says to lubricate regularly.
Just wondering.
thx.
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Author: knotty
Date: 2009-11-09 01:33
I suppose they mean the threads. I always keep a light film of oil on my ligature threads with all the daily use it gets.
knotty
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2009-11-09 07:28
I used to lubricate lig screws now and then, but I haven't done it in ages.
I would only really bother if I feel that the screws aren't moving smoothly or if they are squeaking.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2009-11-09 10:11
Bill Brannen being very "machinist" oriented ALWAYS recommended monthly oiling of keys AND ligature thread.
If if feels funny when you turn it....it's too late. But the way we go through ligatures around here, I don't think many of us really have to worry about that.
..................Paul Aviles
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2009-11-09 10:17
I think that if the threads and pivots need lubricating as often as once a month, then it is time to get a lubricant that lasts a lot longer, such as what Doctors Products sells.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2009-11-09 14:14
I've used the Rovner ligatures for years and never had to lubricate the screws or threads and have never had a problem with them. Perhaps in some areas because of the humidity or some other reason they need to be done once in a while but I've never had a problem. It can't hurt to use a drop of something like
3 in 1 oil once in a while though. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.co
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Author: pewd
Date: 2009-11-10 05:21
i put a few drops (3 at most, tiny ones) of the Doctors key oil (the synthetic stuff he sells) on my Rovner mabye once every 18 months. Thats one heck of a wonderful oil. I've played the same Rovner ligature for 7 years ...
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-11-10 07:38
I've never lubricated ligature screws. I've never replaced a ligature because of a problem in the screws or threads. I always tighten them very hard, and used each ligature at least for a few years, sometimes many years. If someone needs to lubriate often, maybe it is the lubricant that causes problems. For example 3-in-1 that was mentioned is known for leaving gumi. Some other oils do this also. Same for keys, with a good oil it is absurd if they need oiling very often (e.g. once a month).
The oil from Doctor's Products is very good. I also like oils from Alicyn and Ultimax. The ones from Doctor have a weird smell though so if I put oil on my ligature I'd prefer one of the others which don't have a smell.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2009-11-10 15:25
Must clarify:
The oiling as I stated came from one who is a machinist. If you talk to a machinist you will find that the idea of grinding one metal surface against another without some form of lubricant is anathma.
Now, on the practical side of the house, the tolerances on ligature screws is so huge that there should probably NEVER be a noticable wearing of the material. That isn't to say that there isn't wear, just that it would have no practical affect on the whole system (the ligature).
I just thought I'd pass on advice that came from a credible source.
Do what you will.
.....................Paul Aviles
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Author: knotty
Date: 2009-11-10 15:45
Paul Aviles:
"Must clarify:
The oiling as I stated came from one who is a machinist. If you talk to a machinist you will find that the idea of grinding one metal surface against another without some form of lubricant is anathma."
Exactly where I come from. My machinist dad was always oiling the lathes, especially the surfaces being cut and all screw threads. I guess I've grown to always lube two metal surfaces rubbing against each other.
knotty
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2009-11-10 15:57
There is another side-effect to lubrication: not only does it assist in preventing wear, but help to eliminate "slip-stick" when tightening. Any mechanic worth his salt (or salary - same thing ) will lubricate a bolt if it must be torqued to a specification. A screw that sticks tends to be overtightened since considerable force often needs to be applied to get it out of its 'stick' point.
Also, since ligature screws, like a lead screw on a lathe, must turn to function as intended - unlike screws that fasten - a very light lubricant film would be the 'right thing to do'.
YMMV
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Author: knotty
Date: 2009-11-10 16:16
That's right Mark, in the good old days, I still remember the 55 Chevy car manual saying to lube the head bolt threads when torquing them.
knotty
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Author: mrn
Date: 2009-11-10 16:17
I've had a Rovner wear to the point that you couldn't tighten it enough anymore. Occasional lubrication would have prevented that, more than likely.
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