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 double case dilemma
Author: Claireinet 
Date:   2008-08-03 22:25

Hello everyone,

I am a long time reader and first time poster on the board [grin]. Sorry this is so long!

What finally compelled me to post is that I am considering double case options (Bb/A). I hope my question isn't too much of a nuisance as I have already researched on the board (and the Internet) ad nauseam and do realize various models of cases have already been discussed extensively in the past.

I think the easiest way to do this would be in list form, so here it goes. My dilemma is that I need/want;
1. something well insulated with enough space inside the insulated area to store my reeds (in a Pro-tec case)/small water canister/swab/corkgrease etc.
2. lots of exterior storage (not flat pockets like are on the Cavallaro bags) to store music/miscellaneous other items(metronome,water bottle, wallet/small purse etc.)/and occasionally another small instrument, such as a flute/piccolo and/or folding stand. To further complicate matters – I like to keep my sheet music in a pocket separate from the other items so it does not become torn or dirty (but I sometimes will carry the folding stand in the same pocket).
3. It is also important to me that the bells be stored separate from the lower joints
4. and, if I opt for a new case instead of buying an insulated bag and trying to alter the interior of my Buffet attache (or living with the bells partially attached), that the case not be so heavy that it hurts my shoulder (if on a shoulder strap – or for that matter my hand, if I'm carrying it) before I even try to put anything in the storage pockets.
5. Would asking that a prospective new case be small enough to fly with as a carry-on without any troubles be the straw on the camel's back?
6. Backpack straps would be nice but not essential if the case was very light
7. I don't have $900-$1000 to spend on a Wiseman.

What I used/use with my single case is an Altieri bag with double pockets, which I really like. I never worry about temperature changes and have always had enough room for whatever I wanted to carry. It does get heavy sometimes, but I would rather have everything in one heavy place than try to carry it separately. My only possible regret is that I did not get the backpack straps – which might be very handy for traveling situations.

So, my questions are --
1. Does the pocket on the top of the BAM Trekking case expand, or is that only the back pocket? I would want to carry music in the back pocket and non-flat items in the front. It seems like maybe the front pocket is just a flat pocket with not much room.
2. Has anyone had trouble with the plastic backpack strap clips on the BAM breaking from bumping into things, or staying clasped when the case is heavy? (Has anyone ever had an instrument in these cases damaged due to carrying too much or odd shaped items in the pockets?)
3. Is the back pocket on the Altieri deluxe model actually practical for storing music or other items? It looks like it would be a hassle to move the straps out of the opening in order to use to the pocket – and can the pocket be zipped to hold in items while the backpack straps are out?
4. The new Yamaha soft sided double case is basically a Pro-tec case and not like the old light/compact cases so many people seem to love? -Does anyone have the external measurements or weight of the new Yamaha? I looked all over and couldn't find any specifications.
5. What happened to Orly cases?? Are they no longer available in the US?

What I'm considering is
1. purchasing a double Altieri bag (my single is too small) and keeping the Buffet attache - either giving up on separating the bells from the lower joints or trying to alter the case. I do like that there is quite a bit of internal storage space, but worry that the case might end up being too heavy (before loading down pockets and whatnot) and wishing I had just gotten a BAM
2. buying a BAM case (or other similar well insulated case – though I have not yet found others that have convinced me that they are actually well insulated in an of themselves)
3. getting a small light case (bells detached) and an Altieri cover? (maybe even using my single cover which is about 15 inches wide and 12 inches high?)

I almost think I might prefer getting a cover since I would probably need to remove heavy items from the top pocket before opening a BAM, or other similar case, to avoid tipping the open case and my instruments. Then again, maybe it would be worth limiting the weight I put in front pockets for a simpler and lighter solution (though I would probably have to carry any other small instruments or a folding stand separately when needed).

Thanks for your help! : )
Claire



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 Re: double case dilemma
Author: marshall 
Date:   2008-08-03 22:59

1. I can't say I have any personal experience with BAM cases, but I have many friends who use them and love them. I don't know if the front pocket is expandable or not, but at least one of the people I know is able to carry everything you're asking about, whether it's expandable or not.

2. From what I've observed, I wouldn't really want to rely on the plastic clips, even if they don't break. There's a zipper to keep it closed is enough (as long as you remember to keep it zipped...I've heard some horror stories about people forgetting to zip BAM cases...)

3. I own an Altieri bag for my Pochette case. I find the back pocket practical for use, but not as practical as the front pocket. I can carry music and such in it, but there's so much room in the front pocket I rarely do.

You can't close the back pocket with the backpack straps out. However, the way the bag is designed, if you're carrying it on your back, your music won't fall out even with the zipper open. Also, you can carry music in the back pocket without removing the straps.



Also, regardless of what case you get, if you want to carry a lot of music, your case will get heavy. Remember, paper is made from tree pulp, so it's basically a dense wood. My bag weighs 15-20+ pounds regularly (with Klose, Rose 32, Rose 40, Baermann, some solo piece, reeds, knife, resurfacer, metronome, tuner, orchestra/band music, etc.), and less than half of it is the case and the instruments. Thenagain, I have both a pochette and an attache, and the attache empty is almost as heavy as the pochette with instruments.

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 Re: double case dilemma
Author: William 
Date:   2008-08-03 23:05

The Alteri bags certainly have the storage and insulative issues solved for you in their great design. I have two for both of my hard side double cases--Buffet & Leblanc--but neither have backpack strapes (although I think they might be available upon request). The shoulder strapes are padded and comfortable, but with the hardside double case, it gets a bit heavy during long airport treks, especially with all the extra junk I tend to carry when I have just too much empty space to fill. From what I have seen, the Bam cases are well built and insulated quite well--better that the Alteri's--but I've heard complaints from users that they are "bulky" and rather clumsey sitting on your lap during assembly. However, a lot of people are using them. A good friend of mine made a double case out of a piece of airline carryon luggage that can be towed behind when walking long distances. Lots of carrying room extras is the big plus. Last time I saw Larry Combs--retiring CSO Principal clarinetist--he was using custom luggage carry cases.

What I currently use and like is a Yamaha soft-side double case which has just enough storage for the things that I really need and is light on my shoulder. Bells stored separately. Problem is, I don't think they are being made anymore. Reunion Blues told me that they have a softside double case in their plans, but I've not seen it yet. That's all I have to offer--good luck.

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 Re: double case dilemma
Author: BobD 
Date:   2008-08-04 14:04

Wrap each piece in bubble wrap and stuff everything in your backpack.

Bob Draznik

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 Re: double case dilemma
Author: Sylvain 
Date:   2008-08-04 14:15

Claireinet:
I own one altieri bag and have tried the BAM case and have friends who own it.

Given the set of constraints you have the best fit for you sounds like the BAM, although as far as I know only the back pocket expands.

My altieri double case cover has backpack straps and a custom extra large front pocket. At some point I was carrying my clarinets and a laptop in it! I don't use it anymore, so contact me off line if you are interested

--
Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>

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 Re: double case dilemma
Author: Claireinet 
Date:   2008-08-05 01:36

Thanks for the responses so far. Sylvain, I was also sort of leaning towards the Bam.

So, does anyone know about the Orly cases? I seem to remember that they were pretty well liked - though I'm not sure how well insulated they were.



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 Re: double case dilemma
Author: Nessie1 
Date:   2008-08-05 14:34

As I put in another thread, I recently got a BAM and I'm very pleased with in most of the ways you mention - the front pocket doesn't expand but you can get quite a lot in it. I reckon you could probably get most of what you mention in somehow.

I used to have an Orly case and it was great for a while but after some years' use I eventually found that the compartments for the clarinet pieces were kind of stretching and breaking down which meant that the joints were not securely held - obviously not a good idea.

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