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Author: cande
Date: 2008-07-19 16:24
Hi: I have a Bonade mouthpiece and thought it would be nice to have a Bonade ligature. I order the inverted model. It simply would not stay tight.
I am thinking of returning it and changing to the Vandoren Leather ligature. Anyone know anything about the Vandoren?
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Author: Ryan25
Date: 2008-07-19 16:31
I prefer the Bonade. You need to put a mouthpiece patch on the back of the clarinet or scatch some x's on the inside of the ligature that sits on the back of the mouthpiece. If you ruff up the metal a bit, it will stay on just fine.
The Vandoren leather is a nice ligature but it has some drawbacks in my opinion. If you are in orchestra and need to make a quick change, it can come off or move the reed off the facing of the mouthpiece. The only way to combat that is to tighten the ligature to an extreme amount thus choking the reed. The Rovner Eddie Daniels is a ligature similar to the leather that does not come off as easily.
Post Edited (2008-07-19 16:59)
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Author: Adrianna
Date: 2008-07-19 16:50
My Bonade Ligature does not stay on either! Everytime, I tighten the ligature, it shifts and moves upwards.
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Author: weberfan
Date: 2008-07-19 17:06
cande,
You are not alone.
I recently bought a Bonade inverted ligature.
I like it, and the brighter sound i get with my wood clarinet.
I use my Vandoren leather ligature, with the metal plate, for my plastic clarinet, which is already bright enough.
And yes, the Bonade can be frustrating at first. My teacher has used them for years, but he's always had to retrofit them or the mouthpiece to keep them secure.
Ryan25's suggestions are right on the money.
After two weeks of struggles, in which the ligature slid up and the reed dropped down, and practice time was frustrating, I took my teacher's suggestion (and Ryan25's, as it turns out) and put a piece of thin black electrical tape on the back of the mouthpiece.
Works like a charm. Been playing happily all morning.
Good luck.
Post Edited (2008-07-19 17:25)
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-07-19 17:14
Bonade ligatures need to be fitted properly.
I use a metal reed template and a flat nose pliers for this.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Ryder
Date: 2008-07-19 17:20
weberfan,
You mean Ryan25's suggestion was right on he money. I hadn't posted on this until just now.
I don't use metal ligatures for fear of creating a sound that is too bright for my liking. Mabey i'm just being ignorant.
With previous experience using metal ligs, they need some time to form to your mouthpiece so that they stop moving. In the mean time I would use tape, or a thin patch as suggested above to help stop the slippage.
As for the Vandoren leather, I use one with the metal insert and have no problems taking the mouthpiece off without slippage. I am also quite pleased with the sound i acheive using it, but don't go switching your lig. based on that, give your bonade a chance. You just need to be careful where you grab and be sure that the joint is not overly tight. Do not grab the ligature or reed, but do grab the sides of the mp exposed near the top.
____________________
Ryder Naymik
San Antonio, Texas
"We pracice the way we want to perform, that way when we perform it's just like we practiced"
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Author: weberfan
Date: 2008-07-19 17:27
Ryder. Apologies, to you and to Ryan25.
Writing in haste; always a mistake.
I've since edited my post.
Thanks!
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Author: William
Date: 2008-07-19 17:51
I, too, like the tone the Bonade inverted lig allows the reed to produce. But to avoid the slipping and adjustment hassels, I began using a Vandoran Optimum lig with the parrallel rail insert. Sounds just like a real Bonade but without all those other problems.
BTW--my older (30 yrs) Bonade inverts do not slip like the newer ones do, but they still needed constant readjustment to maintain their shape.
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Author: cande
Date: 2008-07-21 00:16
Thanks for all the super information. I put a piece of electrial tape on the back of the Bonade like Ryan suggested and it seems to work fine. Seems like Bonade would make some sort of change.
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Author: Tom Puwalski
Date: 2008-07-21 02:56
The Vandoren classic String ligature is the only one to use. It is the closest to tying the reed onwith string, which I do sometimes. I know it's a little old school but lots of great clarinetist liked to Tie one on before a performance! Though not the same as string, certainly it's way less pain in the butt. after the Vandoren my Nasa Velcro ligature comes in a handy 3, just beating out a rovner Evo 5 on cost and it's ability to work on Eb and Bass clarinet. If you don't have one of my Nasa Ligatures, pony up the $13.00 and I'll send you one. This ligature material went to the moon, and let me say this if Nasa would have thought up this use for it's material it would cost more than $13.
But wait, there's more. Be one of the first 150 people to order your Nasa ligature and not only will you get a 3inch piece of Velcro, just like you could by at Home Depot, But I'll send you a code to a private you tube of this fabulous ligature in action. Included on this video is topics such as " How to adjust the ligature for kinda dark and REALLY dark". and my favorite: " With Ligatures like this who needs reeds"
This ligature functions in two modes: 1 fuzzy side next to the reed is the Marcellus mode, this will darken your sound and raise low f 15 cents. Mode 2 is with the plastic fingers next to the reed, this is the Harold Wright mode, a little more lively, but needs to be played double lip to take full use of this mode.
Tom Puwalski Artist formerly known as Sarge and a "Velcro" performing artist. (now maybe I won't be edited for a second time today)
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Author: Ed
Date: 2008-07-21 03:12
This is a question that comes up regularly. I found this out years ago when I was teaching a lesson and watched my Bonade creep northward while sitting idle on my mouthpiece. When the ligature is new the plating is very slick. Take some light sandpaper and lightly rough up the inside of the ligature all around. This will add a little grab and keep the ligature from creeping.
If you choose the alternatives of adding material to the mouthpiece or ligature, it will also change the wonderful vibrational qualities of this ligature and dampen the resonance of the ligature and mouthpiece.
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Author: clarionman
Date: 2008-07-21 14:39
I guess I am lucky. I own two Bonade ligatures the inverted model and the regular one. I never had a problem with my ligature.
I agree with Ed
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If you choose the alternatives of adding material to the mouthpiece or ligature, it will also change the wonderful vibrational qualities of this ligature and dampen the resonance of the ligature and mouthpiece.
I have never put any material on my mouthpiece other then a mp path.
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