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Author: Ryder
Date: 2008-07-19 16:23
I was looking at the Peter Eaton website and found this...
"If there is a tendency for water to gather in the speaker tube or in any of the tone holes, apply a light smear of Vaseline (petroleum jelly) to the sides of the hole with a pipe cleaner."
Do you agree that this is an effective way to combat the effects of water in the tone holes?
I don't see any need to do so as long as you are swabbing regularly and drying the pads that get wet. The pads are my only real concern when it comes to water in the tone holes.
[ subject title changed for clarity - GBK ]
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2008-07-19 19:06
If you are performing with water collecting in a tone hole, you've got a problem.
The water can make a path and go to a tone hole every time.
Cleaning the path with acetone and then applying almond oil around the tone hole works well.
Petroleum jelly on a swab?
Not sure if that's a good thing.
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Author: William
Date: 2008-07-19 20:57
My oboist friend applies WD40 around the upper edge of each problem tonehole and he says it completely prevents moisture from entering.
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Author: Ryan Young
Date: 2008-07-19 21:16
If you read the quote it says a "light smear" on the edge of the tone hole with "a pipe cleaner". Yes running Vasoline through the bore with a swab would cause serious problems, but methodically using a pipe cleaner so that a minimal amount comes in contact with only the sides of the tone hole would be fine. As long as its a very fine amount and therefore causing negligible changes in the tone hole itself, i see no problem with it. The hydrophobic effect that that nonpolar Vasoline would keep water out of the tone hole until the Vasoline is gone.
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Author: Ryder
Date: 2008-07-19 22:30
I assume they mean the side of the tonehole in the bore of the instrument. now that i think of it, it sounds like it would work, assuming you use very, VERY little and are super careful not to glob it, or get it anywhere besides said area in which it is to be applied. I still wouldn't do it though. David's suggestion sounds better to me.
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Ryder Naymik
San Antonio, Texas
"We pracice the way we want to perform, that way when we perform it's just like we practiced"
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Author: clarinetguy55
Date: 2008-07-20 17:34
Try getting cork pads on the pads that get water in them. Cork pads last longer and they are less likely to have water form on them every time.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2008-07-20 19:33
It does work, i've done it an Peter recommended it to me when I bought my Elites from him. Just take a little pipe cleaner and a little vaseline and put it in, works a treat.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2008-07-21 11:45
On the other hand, sometimes doing the opposite works.
Instead of making the surface hydrophobic, so that the water beads on it and runs to unwanted places, clean teh surface well, and perhaps apply a surfactant, to make it hyudrophylic, so that the water spreads evenly all over the surface and does not "run" along the surface.
Well so I have heard it said.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2008-07-21 13:13
...or prepare a "preferred riverbed" for the water, that goes past the toneholes. When you look down the bore of a freshly and thoroughly played clarinet, you see that the water is not uniformly spread in the bore.
The art is probably to prepare a path that the water actually follows...
Maybe it suffices to make the area around the usual suspect toneholes hydrophobic so that the water tickles past them.
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Ben
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2008-07-21 13:56
Here is a kind of nuts idea but I have been thinking about it for a while.
ScotchGuard waterproofing spray. Anyone tried it? Or something similar?
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2008-07-23 13:47
I've used it inside tone holes. It seems as good as anything for hydrophobic action.
And it seems a sufficiently inert material to not damage the timber.
But I don't know how long the action lasts.
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2008-07-25 01:04
Water is indeed the enemy of the clarinet..oil or not the water that goes through a clarinet through it's use is in the long run the destruction of the instrument. That is why proper care over the life long use of an instrument will add alot more time to it's life than neglect.
I also think alot of students just don't get why the sockets should be dried out on wooden clarinets...
petroleum gelly on the inside of a clarinet is a bad idea...the chance of contacting pads is much greater than a small miniscule amount of oil on the bore. I would suggest a tech to look at the issue instead of stop gap measure which amounts to forestalling a greater problem.
As to the Eaton site I would add I truly doubt the advice would help much for a really persistent water problem..people like Moennigg really knew how to fix these issues through adjustment etc.
David Dow
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Author: Malcolm Martland
Date: 2008-08-06 10:07
Gordon (NZ) wrote:
«Instead of making the surface hydrophobic, so that the water beads on it and runs to unwanted places, clean teh surface well, and perhaps apply a surfactant, to make it hyudrophylic, so that the water spreads evenly all over the surface and does not "run" along the surface. »
I had this problem with a recently overhauled clarinet - including oiling - it was OK before. I used the recorder players solution from Moeck - a few drops of Anticondens down the bore - the problem went away after several applications. Dupont's Dupanol acts in the same way. Somewhere is another thread was the following which I added to.
Check out:
http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=197484&t=197278
"There are prepared solutions available to help moisture clogging in the windway; Moeck makes Anticondens and Dupont makes Duponol. They can be a real help. While I refer to Duponol in the following, the use is the same for Anticondens. Duponol is a detergent solution that helps moisture in the windway to stream, rather than form beads. It works much like dishwasher detergent does, helping the water to form a sheet, rather than stay in drops."
It worked for me.
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Author: ABerry
Date: 2008-08-06 16:04
I used to get water in my tone holes all the time, especially C#/G# and lower trill keys. My college instructor showed me how to avoid the problem by using saliva and basically “guiding” it down the bore between the tone holes thus creating a path for the water before beginning to play. It didn’t work 100% of the time, but much more than not.
Allan
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