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Author: kev182
Date: 2008-06-05 22:25
I just received two Chadash barrels for my A and Bb. Unfortunately I haven't been able to try them out as I'm still recovering from my wisdom teeth removal.
The first unusual thing I noticed is a small gap between the mpc and the barrel on the 66mm barrel. It's about 1mm in width. The mpc sits beautifully on the 65mm.
When looking inside the 65mm barrel with my mpc on, I notice the bore was not cut perfectly centered and that the inner circumference of the bore is not aligned with the mouthpiece.
I may be over obsessing but I just wanted to see what people thought about this on the board.
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2008-06-05 22:52
My suggestion would be to go to the source. If you contact Guy Chadash in NYC, he would probably be the best and most knowledgeable person to answer these questions for you.
Gregory Smith
http://gregory-smith.com
Post Edited (2008-06-05 22:55)
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2008-06-06 00:04
The only thing that matters is how the barrel plays. If it's in tune, responds well and sounds good, keep it. If not, send it back.
I have a barrel made by Kal Opperman that has a big chunk dug out of the bore, but which plays beautifully. He told me that if he evened things out, it would look good but might be ruined as a player.
It sometimes takes two people to make equipment -- one to do it, and the other to knock him in the head when he should stop.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-06-06 00:35
The mouthpiece sitting "proud" of the barrel is not a major issue. That situation is better than a gap.
Nonuniformity can sometimes be a big nothing. Ken is correct....how it plays is what matters. BUT I can suggest that you rotate the barrel on its long axis and see which alignment gives the characteristics that you want.
Some of my better barrels are rougher inside or ovoid....go figure. I understand some of the better oboes have a banana bore (slight curve off axis),
Disclaimer...I make and sell barrels.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2008-06-06 00:50
figure intonation and weigh the cost benefits between water collecting between the upper joint and the barrel. if the intonation doesn't cut out, then just return it. but if intonation is fabulous, then keep it and see if you can find a washer that might close that gap. i had a barrel that had a similar issue, except the bore was narrower then the upper joint. minor issue. tunes fantastic.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2008-06-06 00:53
C2thew...
The gap is between the mouthpiece and the barrel.
Chadash also has an article (or was it from a thread?) in which he reports that the space between the upper joint and the barrel is a functional occurrence.
I'll see if I can find it...
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-06-06 02:18
I think the original poster is describing a gap between the shoulder of the mouthpiece and the barrel, NOT internally between the tenon of the mouthpiece and the barrel.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2008-06-06 02:32
A small (1 mm) gap between the mpc and the barrel adds 1 millimeter to the barrel's length. Basically now you have the 67 mm and not the 66 mm barrel. IMO barrel like this should not leave the factory or the maker, or it should be sold as a second.
Vytas Krass
Clarinet Repair
Professional clarinet technician
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Former professional clarinet player
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-06-06 12:59
We need Kev182 to state whether he detects an Internal gap or whether the gap is due to the mouthpiece sitting "proud" of the socket.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Chris Hill
Date: 2008-06-06 14:59
Just ask Guy- he'll have the answer you to your question, and if it's a problem, he can fix it. This is true for questions about equipment from any living maker- the beauty of dealing with a living maker is that you can ask him/her for help with his/her product.
Chris Hill
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2008-06-06 15:17
...I think we're all in agreement that some clarification would be nice, and that how the barrel plays is what's important...
Hello Allan,
The second half of my previous statement about Chadash's thoughts on the gap between barrel and upper joint were directed at C2thew's idea to fill the gap with spacers.
I think we both agree that the original post describes a visible external gap between the mouthpiece and barrel!
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2008-06-06 15:34
I've always said that when trying out mouthpieces, barrels, bells etc. you should always try several, at least three, and pick the one that plays and sounds the best for you. If you're not satisfied, send them back and start again. No two of anything is exactly alike no matter who made them. I tried over a dozen for each clarinet before I choose my Backun bells and barrels. ESP
www.peabody.jhu.edu/457 (listen to my Mozart)
ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-06-06 15:40
Maestro Palanker stated:
"No two of anything is exactly alike no matter who made them."
Amen to that.
Disclaimer: I make barrels.
I am openning a large production facility and going public with an IPO to be announced shortly.
Disclaimer: only one of the above disclaimer statements is true.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: kev182
Date: 2008-06-06 16:02
I will be sure to contact Chadash also...
Just to clarify the gap is an external one. The mouthpiece sits proud of the barrel... even if this barrel is fine and plays in tune, I would find it frustrating having to see this gap while I play
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-06-06 16:33
Kev182 clarified: "Just to clarify the gap is an external one. The mouthpiece sits proud of the barrel... even if this barrel is fine and plays in tune, I would find it frustrating having to see this gap while I play"
Now we know.
It is an easy fix for any barrel maker and most tech shops. The socket just needs to be deepened.
As for the other issue, that would depend on playing characteristics.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2008-06-06 18:07
If it doesn't affect the playability, don't worry about it. If you are THAT worried about it, contact Mr. Chadash and ask him directly. You won't be able to see the gap while you are playing, anyway.
Unless, of course, you are built differently than the average human. ![[rotate]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley25.gif)
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: FDF
Date: 2008-06-06 23:10
I think gregory smith had the right answer. Contact the maker. You are looking for and paying for perfection of craftsmanship. If you are concerned that the product is not as you wanted, I'm sure that Chadash will want you to be satisfied.
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