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Author: Clarinet35
Date: 2008-05-30 03:12
Hello all! I'm new to this site, but I've heard about it before....
My fiance and I are both clarinet players, me being an Instrumental Music Ed. major and him being a Clarinet Performance major. We are trying to find the perfect grad school in the eastern part of the country (we're in TN) for clarinetists, but we don't really know where to start. Obviously IU, but we don't really know anywhere else. In your opinions, what do you think the top 10 (or 5) grad. schools would be with great clarinet professors/studios?
Thank you!
clarinet35@comcast.net
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Author: kev182
Date: 2008-05-30 05:56
Top clarinet schools IMO: no order
CIM
CCM
UM
IU (Where I'm headed next year with Eli Eban!)
U of Minnesota
Colburn
USC
McGill
Florida State
U of Texas @ Austin
Yale w/ Shifrin (Only Grad)
ASU
there are many many more fine schools, but this is just to name a few.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2008-05-30 11:36
IMHO, for completing your mastery of the instrument, #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 are USC in Yehuda Gilad's studio, and #10 is everywhere else.
If you're already a finished player ready to move into an orchestra position, private work with Stanley Drucker or Mark Nuccio in New York and equivalent major symphony players around the world can give you the guidance in practical performance. They will also know where the openings are and be able to make the political connections.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2008-05-31 15:56
I know I’m prejudice but I think Peabody should certainly be included up there.
ESP www.peabody.jhu.edu/457
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Author: J. J.
Date: 2008-05-31 18:07
Here are the top 10. Even though you asked about the eastern part of the UNited States, I think it would be foolish to limit your choices geographically. I also can't honestly restrict my recommendations and come up with 10 out east:
USC/Colburn
CCM
University of Michigan
Northwestern
Indiana University
University of Minnesota
Eastman
Manhattan School of Music
Southern Methodist University
Florida State
I will also mention North Texas as a possibility because I feel like that would be a good place to give you both opportunities when it's time to leave grad school.
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Author: Keith P
Date: 2008-05-31 18:27
I received great advice for looking for Universities to attend from a very wise woman once; study with the person who you would like to sound like. Find who you would like to sound like and go there. It also depends on what kind of job you are aiming for once you exit college; if you are looking to be an orchestral player, I think it would be a good idea to study with somebody who has great knowledge and experience in orchestral repertoire and performance.
I can speak from experience that the University of North Texas has a great clarinet studio and a good faculty, it is a very nice program for graduate students. I've also done a few sessions with Richard MacDowell at the University of Texas at Austin; he is a very fine player and teacher (a student of Marcellus as a matter of fact) and they have a strong Wind Ensemble under Jerry Junkin.
But anyways, you'll get many opinions here, if I were you I would research all the places listed above to get a better idea of where to look in to.
Best of luck to you!
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2008-05-31 20:20
No top 10 exists. There might be a ranking based on specific criteria, but no ranking is ever absolute about anything in the arts, right?
I will certainly not make an attempt to categorize a list, but I just wonder why those particular schools above were chosen and , DePaul (since we've long forgotten the geographical element), Temple, Oberlin, Rice have been left out, in addition to the schools I must've also missed which have been very successful and competitive.
Since Music Ed has to be in the mix, NEC, Juilliard, Curtis, Colburn, MSM, CIM and others have to be left out. [Does Rice have Ed?]
Bradley
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Author: J. J.
Date: 2008-05-31 20:22
Greg, Curtis is obviously great, but it doesn't accept graduate students so I left it off because the poster is looking at graduate schools.
Post Edited (2008-05-31 20:23)
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Author: J. J.
Date: 2008-05-31 20:35
There is definitely no definitive list, but you will find an overlap with most that's worth looking at. I chose my list base don the recent success of students leaving those schools. I left out the schools you mentioned for the same reason. Rice is a fantastic program for woodwinds, but it's hard to recommend it for clarinet.
The poster didn't make clear whether or not she is continuing on in Music Education or Performance, so I continued on looking only at the performance side. It wouldn't matter how good the clarinet studios are for someone doing a Music Education Masters.
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2008-06-01 06:24
The last time I checked, you could do an Artist Diploma at Curtis.
In any case, what's wrong with Rice?
It has had some of the same kind of success DePaul has had, that seems to not qualify for your list.
You seem to be forgetting that we don't know anything about the original poster's need, in the studio, in the music school, in the larger institution (if a university), in the city, in the financial aid package, in the...
I don't think we can leave any top school off the list because of what seems to be personal feeling. I don't mean to be a ball-buster, but I just don't see that you've really justified your comments. Too much ill-informed advice is readily available as it is.
Bradley
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2008-06-01 14:30
Did I mention, the Peabody Conservatory in Baltimore is associated with the Johns Hopkins University and has an excellent music ed department as well? Walking distance to the BSO concert hall too. Well, now I did. ESP www.peabody.jhu.edu/457
PS. The top ten schools are the ones that work best for you, not the other guy. Check out the web sights of several schools and their teacher’s resumes. Arrange to take a tour and a lesson, that's the only way, I repeat, the only way you will know if you are choosing the right teacher and school for you. You get as much from a teacher and school as you're willing to put in, no matter who they are and where it is.
ESP eddiesclarinet.com
Post Edited (2008-06-01 23:05)
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Author: marshall
Date: 2008-06-03 06:26
the ones I would include would be:
-U of Michigan just got Dan Gilbert
-Juilliard just got Jon Manasse
-Manhattan has Mark Nuccio
-CCM has four amazing teachers (two of whom are Curtis graduates) and they're very focused on graduate students
-I agree that Peabody should be up there as well.
-Roosevelt should be up there with John Yeh.
-I've heard nothing but good things about Burt Hara at U of Minnesota.
-I've also heard nothing but good things about Colburn
-Yale should be up there too.
-Michigan State actually has a very good music education program (the best in the country...according to them). Elsa Verdehr isn't taking any more students though (which is really sad...because I probably would've gone to State next year if she was).
I personally wouldn't include IU just because it's such a huge school (the music school alone is in the thousands) or CIM (just because you probably won't study with Frank Cohen at first...at least that's what I've heard). Also, Oberlin doesn't have a graduate program.
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2008-06-03 06:35
Cohen is teaching all of the students at CIM. I don't know if it's going to stay that way.
[edit]:
Oberlin has an Artist Diploma programme. Whether or not you're interested in a Diploma rather than a MM is something to consider.
Bradley
Post Edited (2008-06-03 06:36)
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Author: woodwind650
Date: 2008-06-03 15:30
i think Mr. Palankar is right on the money. for me, i chose UM for my master's degree because i really wanted to study with Professor Fred Ormand in his last year of his retirement. if he was the teacher at "East Cotton Blossom State" [fictional school], then i would've gone there as well. i actually knew very little about the school at the time that i applied. having grown up with the Pac 10 in SF, i wasn't that familiar with the Big 10 Schools. Ixi Chen [2nd in Cincinnati Symphony and faculty at CCM] once told me that "Everyone's recipe is different." Find what teacher works best for you. If that teacher happens to teach at School of Music "X" then go there.....If they teach at State University "Y" then go there. For me it was all about the teacher and i didn't put so much weight on what school it happened to be. Be that as it may, it turns out i did have a lot of fun at UM as a whole learning with Professor Ormand and then this past year with Professor Gilbert. If every successful musician was a product of only one school, then they would all go there, but that's just not the case.
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