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Author: Micke Isotalo ★2017
Date: 2008-04-09 21:58
Nice to hear that Robert above got his set fixed. However, I'm sad to say that I myself didn't notice any improvement at all after getting my set back about two weeks ago.
The tuning issues I asked to be fixed (if possible) was as follows, in my original writing to Wurlitzer:
The B-clarinet:
1) h1 is about 1-2 Hz (or about 4-8 cent) low, and should be raised to the corresponding level as c2 (but perhaps this is impossible without replacing the entire bell, and this I think would be too costly for me).
2) e2 is about 3 Hz (or about 11-12 cent) low, and should be raised to the corresponding level as d2 or c2.
3) f2 is about 2 Hz (or about 8 cent) low, and should be raised to the corresponding level as d2.
The A-clarinet:
1) e2 is about 2 Hz (or about 8 cent) low, and should be raised to the corresponding level as c2 or d2.
2) a2 is about 2 Hz (or about 8 cent) high, and should be lowered to the corresponding level as f2.
3) ais2/b2 is about 3 Hz (or about 11-12 cent) high.
4) h2 is about 3 Hz (or about 11-12 cent) high.
5) c3 is about 4 Hz (or about 15-16 cent) high.
(end of original writing to Wurlitzer)
Mostly the c3 on the A-clarinet is actually about 5-6 Hz (about 20 cent) high, but I didn't want Wurlitzer to make too drastic changes, perhaps affecting the corresponding f1 too much (now in retrospect, this precaution was of course quite needless …).
The setup I used before the repair, and for testing afterwards, was the following: M4 RB mp, 2,5 White Master reed, B+-marked barrel (length 55,0 mm) for the B-clarinet, and A+-marked barrel (length 55,5 mm) for the A-clarinet, instruments warm and a1 tuning 442.
The issues on the B-clarinet I can live with, and as until now (and whenever possible) I will use the following special fingerings for e2 and f2, which puts them both in very nice tune:
1) f2: Normal f2 fingering + dis2-key
2) e2: Normal e2 fingering + dis2-key + c2-key
For the low h1 there is of course no other solution but tightening the embouchure (it's a little bit puzzling to me that the h1 is low, since the corresponding low e is really low – i.e., it would be more understandable if the h1 were made a little bit high, that way rising also the low e).
The A-clarinet is more troublesome, but based on recommendations in previous comments above, I also purchased a Viotto N1+2 mp, and for me it really helps lowering the lh upper notes. At least a partly explanation may be that the Viotto mp rises the overall pitch, which in turn allows for a longer barrel (in my case a 57,0 mm A+), which then lowers the lh notes (especially the uppermost, and in both the high and low register). Anyway, the lh upper notes are still somewhat high, but the following special fingerings are helpful at least for me:
1) c3: Normal c3-fingering + lh 3:rd finger + gis2key
2) bb2: Normal bb2-fingering + rh 2:nd or 3:rd finger (perhaps also the dis2-key)
3) a2: Normal a2-fingering + gis2-key + rh 1:st + rh 3:rd finger
For the b2 I haven't found any other fingering-solution but releasing the register-key, which however puts you in risk of losing the note.
By the way, I don't press the dis2-key on any of the notes above cis3 – otherwise they get too high (but only on the A-clarinet, on the B-clarinet I use the dis2-key "normally").
All these special fingerings are of course more or less clumsy, but perhaps they can be for at least some benefit also to others than me.
I'm of course very curious about why Wurlitzer managed fixing Roberts set (with perhaps even severer problems than mine, since he mentioned deviations up to 30 cent), but not mine. I will ask them, and then also tell you here.
By the way, the price for my repair was 654,50 euro per instrument (including tax), plus shipping, and included renewal of all cork and pads, polishing of the metal-parts, and removal of the remnants of the original lacquering of the bore (I don't think any springs were renewed, but probably that wasn't essential at this stage). It also seems that they managed brightening the sound of the bb1 on the A-clarinet, which I had asked especially for (actually I haven't tested this with my original M4 mp, but at least it sounds OK now with the Viotto mp). A bouncing of the cis2-key (when released hastily) on both clarinets was also fixed – probably due to new and softer pads.
Concerning Henson's comment above, about letting for example Leitner & Kraus fix tuning issues on Wurlitzer clarinets, it would be of interest to hear if someone has tried that? How were the results, and very interesting would also be if the sound were affected in any way?
Even though Wurlitzer's RB clarinets obviously are somewhat tricky concerning tuning, it seems to me that they are still quite outstanding concerning sound.
Micke Isotalo
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