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Author: SVClarinet09
Date: 2007-11-16 02:44
Don't ever talk in the hallway for auditions. Other people talked, got pinned on me by the judges, made 6th chair to kids that've never beaten me. Judges admitted to being "stricter" on me because of the talking incident. Good thing I'm missing the clinic.
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Author: 2E
Date: 2007-11-16 09:10
Weve had a few students make that mistake at my conservatorium for auditions, exams and recitals etc. I was waiting outside to go in for a recital and my instruments (both of them) were just sitting there going cold. I started blowing some warm air through them but apparently even that was making too much noise! :S oops, not good. I guess its just the same as talking (or playing) backstage at a concert or a recording session etc.
Just DONT do it :p 2E
Post Edited (2007-11-16 09:12)
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2007-11-16 14:56
Judges admitted to being "stricter" on me because of the talking incident.
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That's not cool of them. You should have had the sense to not make an annoyance of yourself, but that doesn't reflect on how you play.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2007-11-16 15:10
The judges rather should have stopped the current audition, went outside and simply told whoever was talking to cut it out. Then continued the audition without trying to "teach someone a lesson".
But then again, we're only human. And just like some judges in professional orchestras can be swayed by such stupid things as gender or appearance or 'experience' (not hiring someone because they don't think they have enough professional experience yet).
And then there's the whole thing that has surfaced time and time again about teachers in colleges and other persons being biased so much towards or against certain makes or models of instruments that it determines who they will or will not teach, or determines which clarinets they will or will not work on (for certain technicians), and stuff like that.
So while, yes, I don't think it was fair, I'd say (unfortunately) you're gonna have to grit it and carry-on. And that thigns like this may pop up every now and then. Cause teachers, judges, etc. are all human. And human's make mistakes and sometimes have preferences and prejudices. And sometimes they act on these. Sucks, but it's true. I've even read threads on here recommending people to take auditions with a borrowed Buffet R13 and then switch to their normal instrument when they get the job (to ensure they aren't looked wrongly upon for NOT holding a Buffet while auditioning).
Not saying these things will happen all the time, hopeully rarely or not at all, but it can happen. So if it does, and you know it did, don't fret. Just move on.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: SVClarinet09
Date: 2007-11-16 15:51
My director told me when I came back from dinner that the judges had complained to him about my "audition etiquette" and that it hurt my audition. I didn't believe them but it apparently did. The judges did come out. The clarinets were quiet. The flutes down the hall were rowdy. I don't get how she singled me out because A) she doesn't know me and B) you can't see outside of the room. She just felt the need to pin it on me. I was pretty upset at first over all of this but now I'm over with it because the band isn't a great one anyways. Instead of the clinic I get to go see my sick great grandmother, family's always first. The auditions aren't blind and everyone knows there is some bias. One of the ladies, she is the teacher for the first 3 chairs ironically. I knew there was just something up when I saw my name and I saw the scores associated with it. I rarely ever get anything out of excellent and if it is, it's sightreading and I might be like 1 point out of the excellent box. But this time nothing was in the excellent box. I felt like this audition was my best ever, even better than the one I've had at all state. But Alexi, you're right. People are human. They will force opinions on you before even knowing you, or in this case hearing you. There is always some bias. But I still have a major audition that IS blind, district, and then all state that isn't. Just gonna buckle down and practice.
PS I will have at least one judge again at district(the one that teaches the top 3 kids) I've beaten them before, I'm looking to see how I will fair out in a Blind audition and see if she makes the same remarks on my score sheet.
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2007-11-16 16:42
It sounds like the "art" of committing fouls in soccer could be extended to the audition hall. In soccer, getting caught by the referee is considered a technical weakness.
In many situations, it is imperative NOT to give the appearance of bad conduct.
Bob Phillips
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2007-11-16 18:20
That's really wrong that a judge had students in the contest.
The most I'll ever accept when I have students auditioning for districts is a spot as a sight-reading judge.
I'd never, ever and I mean EVER be a judge for the solo if a student of mine is participating as I'd know them instantly and most likely be too hard on them.
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Author: alpharettablue
Date: 2007-11-17 14:35
You are so right!
My kid plays soccer at a high level and she is a master of fouling without drawing the call.
I say suck it up and learn a lesson.
I will bet any amount that you were making more noise than you think, and the judge probably heard more than you think as they were coming out the door.
Next time, be the noise police and remind the other kids that there are auditions going on. Most won't resent it, because they know how it feels in the room. And if there is no noise, you can't get dinged.
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2007-11-17 15:32
I am going to make an assumption (incorrect though it may be) that the doors were closed to the room where the audition was occurring. If this was the case, and the judges heard you and other players talking outside, there was WAY too much noise happening to be excusable. Nobody should EVER be loud enough while someone else is auditioning, that judges have to come out from behind closed doors and comment on it.
If the door was open, on the other hand, all I can say is that you should have been absolutely silent out there. Common courtesy dictates that one offers respect to others, much as you want others to do the same for you when you are auditioning.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2007-11-17 16:53
ideally, they all should have been blind auditions. Ideally . . .
US Army Japan Band
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Author: SVClarinet09
Date: 2008-01-12 22:20
Update. Just got back from all district where I made third chair. my score was a 189. Blind auditions do help, and out of my county I was first. Hm...
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Author: SVClarinet09
Date: 2008-01-12 23:30
Thanks David. I actually had a 192 and what separated us first three chairs was just scales we all tied on sightreading and i had a 1point nudge on solo so yeah. time to pay attention to those silly things called scales!
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2008-01-13 15:34
Yeah, they call them "fundamentals" for a reason.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: Lann
Date: 2008-01-13 21:19
I believe that etiquette has a lot to do with how disciplined and possibly how good you are. I also think being judged on things other than musicality is just as unprofessional as talking in the hall.
I am sorry you had to learn this the hard way, but most people do.
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